Fed up

[alex04w]

not relative to our population size. please don't twist my words.
Unlike most on here I will keep my voting intentions to myself.
Though not entirely unrelated my respect for the Duck and the dignity he has shown under extreme provocation is growing. Having been bullied it always leaves a bad taste when you see it potentially happening to someone else not that I think he could be bullied!

Provocation? Bullying?

Are you suggesting I am doing this by replying to two of his posts pointing out he is inconsistent in one and suggesting illegality in the other?

 

[Cowabunga]

not relative to our population size. please don't twist my words.
Unlike most on here I will keep my voting intentions to myself.
Though not entirely unrelated my respect for the Duck and the dignity he has shown under extreme provocation is growing. Having been bullied it always leaves a bad taste when you see it potentially happening to someone else not that I think he could be bullied!

Not in the least intimidated or slightly phased even. I'm not going to answer each individually but will observe that the behavious is very similar to that of my herd of cows that are sent to the same field one day too long. Even though they have grass up to their eyeballs, they can't or don't want to see it. Instead they look over to my neighbour's bare field that is full of weeds and make themselves believe that the grass is greener over there. If some cows disagree, and not many dare to, then they are butted by the others.

 

[Ashtree]

Do you not see a huge contradiction in your post?

You are in favour of the EU, therefore believe it is working well, yet you say that one of the 28 nations leaving will cause others to leave, bring on serious rivalries lead to chaos and unrest.... (world war three, the failure of the NI peace process, etc if you believe past and present PMs).

If the EU is so great, why would other want to leave - is it because they see it is not great, is not working and is holding back their economies as well?

If the EU is so great, where are their rivalries - is it because the EU cannot be all things to all people and therefore is clearly working against the best interests of some?

If the EU is so great, why would their be chaos if one leave - it is because we are the cash cow being bled dry to give our competitors the chance to get one over on us using our money and will descend into anarchy when the cash tap is turned off?

If the EU is so great, why would the euro fall - unless the whole EU is propped up on our successful economy outside the Euro and the markets will see it for what it is (a failed idea holding back many EU economies) if we leave?

If the EU is so great, why would they wish to punish the UK for leaving - unless of course they do not have our best interests at heart? Nothing worst than an someone who stalks their ex for walking out on the domestic abuse (thereby proving they were right to have walked out in the first place).

One has to look at the EU or indeed the UK almost as one looks at a balance sheet. There are two sides to the balance sheet.
Membership of the EU on a broad spectrum basis brings many many benefits and indeed many many challenges not least immigration.
Myopically concentrating on those aspects of the EU which are challenging and not in good shape, whilst ignoring the many benefits of the EU, does not give a sound basis on which to make a good judgement call for voting in or out.

The Brexit mantra is that all the ills of the world today are the fault of the EU. From immigration to the price of farm produce and all things in between.

If only it was that simple!!!!

 

[Cowabunga]

Provocation? Bullying?

Are you suggesting I am doing this by replying to two of his posts pointing out he is inconsistent in one and suggesting illegality in the other?

I never suggested illegality. What I said was that if you didn't want to employ someone, don't. Its very simple. A small business chooses who to employ and who not to employ. They don't have to give a reason. Indeed its best not to.
For my part I would not employ someone who couldn't speak Welsh. It would be too disruptive. Even government agencies and schools decide on employment officially on just this basis as one criteria.

If you can't manage your employment issues, look to yourself rather than blame the EU, which would be a laughable excuse as a scapegoat were it not for it being seriously ridiculous.

 

[Danllan]

I never suggested illegality. What I said was that if you didn't want to employ someone, don't. Its very simple. A small business chooses who to employ and who not to employ. They don't have to give a reason. Indeed its best not to.
For my part I would not employ someone who couldn't speak Welsh. It would be too disruptive. Even government agencies and schools decide on employment officially on just this basis as one criteria.

If you can't manage your employment issues, look to yourself rather than blame the EU, which would be a laughable excuse as a scapegoat were it not for it being seriously ridiculous.

Politics aside, honestly, I'd be interested to know if you ever come across foreigners who speak a bit - or lot - of Welsh. I have met a Japanese fellow, who even wrote a book to help others in Japan to learn it. A couple of Patagonians, of course, and a few South Africans, but that's it really. Oh, some Bretons too, but that is not so surprising. Other than these I don't think I've met anyone from anywhere else who did.

 

[JCMaloney]

All that will happen, if we choose to leave, is that we will remove the dressing on the weaping wound and actually see what treatment is needed.
If we remain its just another dressing........ we will remain outvoted/outnumbered by the other 27 states and gaining nothing.

The best thing about the whole thing is to see democracy at its purest where everyones vote carries equal weight irrespective of who they are & where they live.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I really think now the only hope of bringing honest politics back into this country is to vote out, none of the parties are fit to govern at the moment shown by their dreadful behaviour and manner over the last month, things will have to change and the only way to do that is through the ballet box at Westminster, as Blair the King of of the crop spoken yet

 

[RobFZS]

I really think now the only hope of bringing honest politics back into this country is to vote out, none of the parties are fit to govern at the moment shown by their dreadful behaviour and manner over the last month, things will have to change and the only way to do that is through the ballet box at Westminster, as Blair the King of of the crop spoken yet

the remain camp last night was disgraceful, no one gives a sh!t about boris's motives after this referendum other than the press, so why keep making it an issue over any other? play the ball, not the man, personally i think after last nights debate,Andrea Leadsom would make a very good pm, has the experience of business and know's what she's on about.

 

[alex04w]

One has to look at the EU or indeed the UK almost as one looks at a balance sheet. There are two sides to the balance sheet.
Membership of the EU on a broad spectrum basis brings many many benefits and indeed many many challenges not least immigration.
Myopically concentrating on those aspects of the EU which are challenging and not in good shape, whilst ignoring the many benefits of the EU, does not give a sound basis on which to make a good judgement call for voting in or out.

The Brexit mantra is that all the ills of the world today are the fault of the EU. From immigration to the price of farm produce and all things in between.

If only it was that simple!!!!

Nice analogy.

However, as an accountant who is used to looking at balance sheets, all I see is liabilities that vastly outweigh the assets. The whole EU project is bankrupt per your balance sheet (and bankrupt in more ways than one at that!).

 

[Ashtree]

Nice analogy.

However, as an accountant who is used to looking at balance sheets, all I see is liabilities that vastly outweigh the assets. The whole EU project is bankrupt per your balance sheet (and bankrupt in more ways than one at that!).

Perhaps the goodwill asset value of the EU is the single most overlooked and misunderstood asset in the balance sheet.
Peace, stability, single market, inter dependability, forum to resolve issues, freedom for our young people to move and experience differing and rich cultures of Europe.

The founding fathers saw the intangible asset value. We should reflect on this a bit more.

A

 

[Danllan]

Perhaps the goodwill asset value of the EU is the single most overlooked and misunderstood asset in the balance sheet.
Peace, stability, single market, inter dependability, forum to resolve issues, freedom for our young people to move and experience differing and rich cultures of Europe.

The founding fathers saw the intangible asset value. We should reflect on this a bit more.

A

I agree with you that there are some things that are if not intangible, very difficult to quantify in economic terms. Yet when Leave supporters also argue for such things e.g. sovereignty, they are told it's all about the economic risk. A bit self-contradictory...

 

[Ashtree]

I agree with you that there are some things that are if not intangible, very difficult to quantify in economic terms. Yet when Leave supporters also argue for such things e.g. sovereignty, they are told it's all about the economic risk. A bit self-contradictory...

One could argue the sovereignty value in Europe.
Europe as independent sovereign states without an overarching political structure such as the EU has managed to go to war over and over again.

 

[baabaa]

Perhaps the goodwill asset value of the EU is the single most overlooked and misunderstood asset in the balance sheet.
Peace, stability, single market, inter dependability, forum to resolve issues, freedom for our young people to move and experience differing and rich cultures of Europe.

The founding fathers saw the intangible asset value. We should reflect on this a bit more.

A

the founding fathers

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

http://www.eu-facts.org/en/background/dark_roots_europe_lecture.html

 

[alex04w]

Perhaps the goodwill asset value of the EU is the single most overlooked and misunderstood asset in the balance sheet.
Peace, stability, single market, inter dependability, forum to resolve issues, freedom for our young people to move and experience differing and rich cultures of Europe.

The founding fathers saw the intangible asset value. We should reflect on this a bit more.

A

You are not allowed to capitalise internally generated goodwill onto a balance to make it look solvent. Opps - we are on a farming forum not an accountancy one.

Sorry, but the liabilities still out weigh the good points of the EU.

Peace - no evidence this is caused by the EU or even contributed to by the EU. The reverse could be said to be true given the rise of far right and far left parties in some countries in opposition to the EU and their policies.

Stability - tell that to Greece (and soon Portugal, Spain, Italy, France...)

Forum to resolve issues - do we need a federal Europe to do that for us? What about G7, IMF, UN, blah, blah, blah. We are seeing the true colours of Germany today - threats against us if we dare to leave their club.

Freedom for young people to move and experience, what - 25% plus youth unemployment in some EU / Euro countries. I am sure they really believe that Germany is working in their interests with setting Euro exchange rates to help reduce the instability of these countries and get the youth back to work so that they have the money to travel.

Different cultures - the very heart of the issue. We are different and a federal structure that treats us all as equally the same does not work.

 

[JP1]

Question Time will help him now on ?
Transexual will know ?

I've got it recorded as I've been away for work. I would almost guarantee Eddie Izzard will have more intelligence than the rest of the politicos put together

 

[Still Farming]

I've got it recorded as I've been away for work. I would almost guarantee Eddie Izzard will have more intelligence than the rest of the politicos put together

Watch bit where a lady speaker said be quiet all you MEN have been talking all night -And Eddie just looked at her ????

 

[arcobob]

Anyone with some spare time should read "The Rotten Heart of Europe" by Bernard Connolly. He was a commissioner at the time of the ERM in 1995 and wrote the original book because he felt that the Euro project would end in disaster. He was sacked for his trouble. The book has since been updated and is a compelling and easy read. He basically brands the EU as corrupt and undemocratic.
While the IMF and all the other money experts were sitting on their thumbs he was one of only four leading economists to predict the economic crash of 2008. Now he is telling us to get out of Europe while we have the chance.

 

[arcobob]

I've got it recorded as I've been away for work. I would almost guarantee Eddie Izzard will have more intelligence than the rest of the politicos put together

Intelligence is one thing but if someone mis-read the wiring diagram it is not much use.

 

[Ashtree]

Has anyone else been completely ground down by the absolute bullshine spouted by both sides? After John major's criticism last week, he's said today that voting out will risk peace in Northern Ireland FFS

And now there's 6 clowns who know sweet feck all about what will happen either way, spouting more tripe on prime time tele.

Good article highlighting the serious lack of quality in the Brexit debate thus far[emoji15]

http://bv.ms/1Yhjz5D

 

[RobFZS]

I've got it recorded as I've been away for work. I would almost guarantee Eddie Izzard will have more intelligence than the rest of the politicos put together

shouting the odds and totally going off subject counts for intelligence now?

even the audience was telling him to pipedown