Feeding antibiotic milk to calves

[Blaithin]

If I inject a suckler cow that has a calf at foot it seems to have no ill effect on her calf.

Makes a person wonder doesn’t it.

Recently seen some dairy people say they would hesitate to calf share as they’d worry the calves would get hurt in the herd of cows. When somebody is bossy or cycling, etc.

Made me wonder how all my beef calves seem to survive.

 

[multi power]

if calves require colostrum, which by definition, is the cows first milk, and that colostrum fails the delvo test, because it contains a/b, how do you overcome that, only those which haven't been treated with dc tubes, qualify, the % of cows not treated with d/c tubes, fairly low ?

I would expect 70% or more cows to not require dry tubes

 

[multi power]

I milk cows oad the week prior to drying off. Then maybe once every two days before going to dry cow house with baled haylage. If still giving too much they will go onto straw diet for a couple of days. A vet told me I was totally wrong,cows needed to be dried off abruptly. Tried it. One cow lost two quarters..big swelled bag. Didn’t want to draw it and lose the sealer. It wasn’t swelled with milk. Mastitis.

I've seen this done, never seen so many cases of mastitis in the dry cows

 

[thesilentone]

What rubbish!!

Why is this advice rubbish in your view ?

 

[som farmer]

I would expect 70% or more cows to not require dry tubes

but not 70% of everybodies, they are only a tool, to help sort out a problem.

 

[betweenthelines]

Why is this advice rubbish in your view ?

Simply because a calf is designed to drink the milk it's mother produces.


As for the debate about routine AB use at drying off, I would say that AB's should only be used to counter identified infections.

 

[vantage]

Simply because a calf is designed to drink the milk it's mother produces.


As for the debate about routine AB use at drying off, I would say that AB's should only be used to counter identified infections.

I’d agree with the first point on the proviso that it may not be in the calf’s best interests to drink said milk if the cow or herd has a Johnes issue.
Agree regarding second point.

 

[it's not over]

I once had a cow broke into the dairy and drank 6 gallons of milk with AB in it. She loved it,couldn't get enough of the stuff. I tested her milk as a precaution. It was clear. The AB must not of been absorbed through the gut. Or maybe a case for mulder and scully

 

[som farmer]

the whole problem has been caused, by doctors shelling out A/B's for virtually anything, and many still are. We are being stopped from using various types of A/B to protect humans. A/B's haven't been about long, less than 100 yrs, in that time, they have saved millions of lives, if they cannot find new types, the future will have to revert to the past, the main remedy, for worsening infections, was amputation, yuk, but that is one scenario ! And quite rightly, the use of A/B's in animals will be severely restricted, first stage, vet admin only. Lets hope they find some new ones, the alternative doesn't look attractive.

 

[multi power]

the whole problem has been caused, by doctors shelling out A/B's for virtually anything, and many still are. We are being stopped from using various types of A/B to protect humans. A/B's haven't been about long, less than 100 yrs, in that time, they have saved millions of lives, if they cannot find new types, the future will have to revert to the past, the main remedy, for worsening infections, was amputation, yuk, but that is one scenario ! And quite rightly, the use of A/B's in animals will be severely restricted, first stage, vet admin only. Lets hope they find some new ones, the alternative doesn't look attractive.

Doctors are not the one causing the problem
It's farmers abusing antibiotics that is the problem, under doosing, not finishing the course etc

 

[som farmer]

Doctors are not the one causing the problem
It's farmers abusing antibiotics that is the problem, under doosing, not finishing the course etc

agreed fmrs are to blame as well, but the main problem, was, and still is, docs prescribing a/b that are not necessary, and patients not finishing the full course, TB, which was under control, in the human population, it no longer is, and TB resistance is increasing, one of the biggest culprits, are unregistered immigrants, one receiving the a/b, then splitting the dose, with an unknown, thus resistance spreads, lad from the village, has gone into the dizzy heights of research, what he said, is truly scary.

 

[thesilentone]

Simply because a calf is designed to drink the milk it's mother produces.


As for the debate about routine AB use at drying off, I would say that AB's should only be used to counter identified infections.

My response was to the original Op's post, ' Feeding Antibiotic Milk to calves, not if a calf should or should not drink it's mothers milk. Did you miss the point ?

 

[betweenthelines]

Doctors are not the one causing the problem
It's farmers abusing antibiotics that is the problem, under doosing, not finishing the course etc

Vets are just as bad. How many times do they say "I'll give a shot of pen. just to to safe"

 

[Bruce Almighty]

agreed fmrs are to blame as well, but the main problem, was, and still is, docs prescribing a/b that are not necessary, and patients not finishing the full course, TB, which was under control, in the human population, it no longer is, and TB resistance is increasing, one of the biggest culprits, are unregistered immigrants, one receiving the a/b, then splitting the dose, with an unknown, thus resistance spreads, lad from the village, has gone into the dizzy heights of research, what he said, is truly scary.

In 3rd world countries, I've heard it said that they used to go to the Drs and buy what anti-biopics they could afford, never mind whether it was a full course or not. Not surprising they now have resistance.

 

[multi power]

agreed fmrs are to blame as well, but the main problem, was, and still is, docs prescribing a/b that are not necessary, and patients not finishing the full course, TB, which was under control, in the human population, it no longer is, and TB resistance is increasing, one of the biggest culprits, are unregistered immigrants, one receiving the a/b, then splitting the dose, with an unknown, thus resistance spreads, lad from the village, has gone into the dizzy heights of research, what he said, is truly scary.

I don't agree on the bit about doctors prescribing unnecessarily, people not finishing the course is a huge problem

 

[multi power]

Vets are just as bad. How many times do they say "I'll give a shot of pen. just to to safe"

Never ever
Yes vets may prescribe antibiotics as a precaution but they always leave enough to finish the course

 

[Sid]

I believe this is progressing slowly - EU have indicated they are willing to certify UK organic bodies for exporting to the EU. Approval due to be granted end of Nov/ start of Dec..

Vote was yesterday.

The EU has positively voted for the UK Organic Certification bodies to be approved. They are following the adoption procedure.

It's all a bit last minute and not good for trade!!

 

[Base]

I only feed with fresh milk

 

[som farmer]

at least something agreed, roll on a few more agreements !
fair bit on the web last night, saying EU would be happy with a no deal, and wait for UK to come crawling back, after a disasterous few months, in the World tariff system.