Feet - an alternative discussion

[cfr1964]

Somebody tell me please, what do you think is the main cause of all the foot trouble suffered by milking cows, I beleive that I know that cows can produce more milk and that without developing bad feet, tell me what you think, and perhaps we can move on, the three cow guy.

I presume that you have/had a dairy herd @thethreecowguy
Could you give us some details of herd performance just to add a bit of credibility to what you're saying please
Looking forward to more details
Thanks

 

[jimmer]

I presume that you have/had a dairy herd @thethreecowguy
Could you give us some details of herd performance just to add a bit of credibility to what you're saying please
Looking forward to more details
Thanks

 

[Ducati899]

wouldn't it be a lot easier if you just shared what you think is causing problems for people and then we all could discuss this rather than talking in riddles the whole time and then perhaps we can move on

 

[Philip Watkins]

wouldn't it be a lot easier if you just shared what you think is causing problems for people and then we all could discuss this rather than talking in riddles the whole time and then perhaps we can move on

If he gives you all the answers there will be no reason for you to buy his book.

 

[Ducati899]

should of just said "buy my book" from the start

 

[thethreecowguy]

To Cfr 1964, bad feet due to poor breeding? last week only I spoke to a dairy farmer who was disappointed with the performance of heifers he thought should be better,a breeder will show up to 20 bulls to the buyers that go around for the A I companies, but he will not show them the best 3 or 4 bulls he got that year, he knows he can always sell the best anywhere, so perhaps you should deal more direct with the top breeders when buying semen, and perhaps get better animals quicker, accidental damage etc to feet can be cleared up fairly quickly with due care,stones in the feet should be seen to pronto in double quick time, before more damage is done,as for foul and dermatitis, these can mostly be prevented by walking your valuable stock requrarly through a simple concrete foot bath using Pottasium Permanganate crystals, this is excellent stuff for all cleaning purposes including washing our hands, it is very cheap and effective and so cheap that it not viable to make a profit on,that is the only reason Chemists have stopped selling it. but it is still used to purify water and is still included in emergency packs for that purpose, you can still buy this if you Google it, 5 or 10 grams in a small Jar should be enough for you for a long time, trust me this will help your cows feet tremendously, very few crystals of Pottasium Pemanganate will turn the water light pink and this is then safe to drink, but it needs to be darker in colour to walk your cows, and /or sheep feet through,it has wonderful healing properties,be careful as only very small amounts are needed to turn water almost black, which would be too strong for purpose, The Three cow guy

 

[cfr1964]

To Cfr 1964, bad feet due to poor breeding? last week only I spoke to a dairy farmer who was disappointed with the performance of heifers he thought should be better,a breeder will show up to 20 bulls to the buyers that go around for the A I companies, but he will not show them the best 3 or 4 bulls he got that year, he knows he can always sell the best anywhere, so perhaps you should deal more direct with the top breeders when buying semen, and perhaps get better animals quicker, accidental damage etc to feet can be cleared up fairly quickly with due care,stones in the feet should be seen to pronto in double quick time, before more damage is done,as for foul and dermatitis, these can mostly be prevented by walking your valuable stock requrarly through a simple concrete foot bath using Pottasium Permanganate crystals, this is excellent stuff for all cleaning purposes including washing our hands, it is very cheap and effective and so cheap that it not viable to make a profit on,that is the only reason Chemists have stopped selling it. but it is still used to purify water and is still included in emergency packs for that purpose, you can still buy this if you Google it, 5 or 10 grams in a small Jar should be enough for you for a long time, trust me this will help your cows feet tremendously, very few crystals of Pottasium Pemanganate will turn the water light pink and this is then safe to drink, but it needs to be darker in colour to walk your cows, and /or sheep feet through,it has wonderful healing properties,be careful as only very small amounts are needed to turn water almost black, which would be too strong for purpose, The Three cow guy

That's an excellent reply, eloquent and expansive
It does however, make absolutely no attempt to answer the question that I asked you
Perhaps if you gave some details of your dairy herd ( or the one you used to have ) , it would help to validate what you're saying
Otherwise you may come across as just another expert trying to tell us how to look after our cows ,who has never actually done it himself

 

[thethreecowguy]

To cfr 1964 .To me an expert has to live 200 miles from home, or its a drop of water that used to be under pressure spurtting all over the place,so much for that, but I did milk cows for around 10 years, and did relief milking, but things were much different those days than now, for one thing those days cows were often cross bred off Shorthorns, that never seemed to have bad feet. Today Friesians and Holsteins having recently come from the Netherlands are more prone to foot troubles simply because they have not adjusted to the poorer soil conditions in this country, there the land is better for Trace elements because it was until comparatively recent all under sea water level, also in Austria the soil is better because they get very little rain and that only in the summer time, the whole country is above the height of Snowdon the welsh mountain, I have spent a month out there trying to understand the Simmental breed that were obviously unhappy when I first had them, in Austria they behaved so much better, and I beleive that a covering of snow feeds more T E,s in to the ground than rain does, especially if the ground is too compact and the water runs off instead of seeping into the ground as nature intended it to do, in farming you live with nature and not mess with it, please dont think of this as a lecture, as I dont do that either, but I hope that this gives you something to chew on over the festive season, Good luck and Cheers, The three cow guy,

 

[Durry cows]

@thethreecowguy this is 1 of our forage mineral analysis as promised, what pointers can we take from this and what knock on effects on feet/cattle in general will this have? many thanks

 

[arf]

He could have a point .This might be worth trying .......

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_permanganate

 

[thethreecowguy]

To durry cows, Sorry I have been long coming back to you, the analysis you showed is a typical average showing defiencies across the board, except for Iodine that is extremely high, correct Iodine is very important at all times, so this is probably a mistake that can easily happen, my advice to you is to contact T E services Ltd on 01267290112 or email them on - heathergoodwin [email protected], these people will advise you on the best way forward for your situation, personally I would not hesitate in trusting this firm to move you on to a much better fertility regime, pease keep in touch if you have any doubts. the three cow guy.

 

[Bruce Almighty]

I'm confused by the thing about calves chewing string for selenium

String is polypropylene, which is a hydrocarbon, formula (C3H6)n

I don't see any Selenium there

 

[Clay52]

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I'm confused by the thing about calves chewing string for selenium

String is polypropylene, which is a hydrocarbon, formula (C3H6)n

I don't see any Selenium there

I have suspected that as well. I tried to find out how much if any selenium is in string but couldn't find any info.

Calves chew string because they can in my guess.

 

[Bruce Almighty]

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I have suspected that as well. I tried to find out how much if any selenium is in string but couldn't find any info.

Calves chew string because they can in my guess.

Early cuckoo I reckon

 

[thethreecowguy]

To Bruce Almighty, You are basically correct the Selenium I understand is in the colouring more in the red than the yellow,farmers are generally very sceptical when it comes to Trace Elements, but it is vitally important to get them at correct levels in you soil at all times, soils are better in Austria as they get mostly snow that sticks, and very little rain in summer only,get these correct and you will enter into a different world altogether, trust me, if still in doubt one test will do for the whole farm, then treat a strip of land here and there in early spring, your animals will soon show you who knows best when they refuse to graze whereyou have not treated. The Three Cow guy

 

[Bruce Almighty]

So what about black plastic or clear clamp film ?
Given the chance, any age of our youngstock will chew it if they can reach it. Cows have more sense usually

 

[thethreecowguy]

The best solution you can walk your cows through daily is without doubt Pottasium Permanganate,this will heal any infections present and keep their feet clean and healthy, I did this for years,and purposely bought incalf cows with poor feet,by the time they had calved down again they were sound on their feet once more, a friend of mine bought a top class Welsh Black bull very cheap due to him being very lame on a front foot,in under three weeks he was sound and went on for years thereafter, P P will serve you well, use it to clean and sterilize everything safely,it will stain if you use it too strong, put 1/4 of a teaspoon of crystals in your bath water an jump in for an all round tan, it will do you no harm either, you can only buy this on google very cheap,it is also a godsend to walk sheep through it,do this and save your money, but start thinking why your cows had bad feet in the first place, that is the question you need to understand. The Three Cow Guy.

 

[Clay52]

Before we can claim the calves are eating string for the selenium we need some proof that there is actually selenium in the string.

 

[awkward]

I find this tred very interesting ,and am keen to learn , I have had more than my fair share of problems with deficiencies, selenium iodine copper calcium magnesium zinc, to list some and have given the last 25 years learning from any source possible how to correct thes problems to varying degrees ,so I for one look forward to learning more of how to recognise and resolve my problems, remember we can always learn something new ever day

 

[Hill Dairy]

I'll give Pottasium Permanganate a try instead formulin I've ordered a kilo of it off amazon for 14.95. How much would you add to a 400ltr foot bath?