Fencing: How do you do yours?

[glasshouse]

Did you not read the bit where the grazier isn't paying any rent? And the fence repairing was to be in lieu of rent?

Grazing with crap fences isnt worth any rent.
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[True North]

Did you not read the bit where the grazier isn't paying any rent? And the fence repairing was to be in lieu of rent?

I really do need to sort this out going forward. I feel like i know what we should do but it doesn't always translate in reality when it comes to it. We think they might be taking advantage which sadly is very short sighted as it's really conveneient for them in terms of location and would ruin a really good potential set-up for both parties.

 

[True North]

Grazing with crap fences isnt worth any rent.
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[True North]

Who said they were crap though? I never said they were crap, wobbly in parts at the very worst and, made wobbly I should add by their cows!

If that was what they thought, perhaps they should have said so, but they didn't and as they said they would deal with the fencing.

Some people on here take a very short sighted and uninformed view on other people's business when it is far more complicated than perhaps the OP may want to lay out for all on the internet.

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[Goweresque]

Grazing with crap fences isnt worth any rent.
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Rubbish. The grass has a value as hay or silage, the making of which doesn't require any fencing at all. Yes well fenced land will be worth more than unfenced, but its certainly not zero value.

 

[True North]

Rubbish. The grass has a value as hay or silage, the making of which doesn't require any fencing at all. Yes well fenced land will be worth more than unfenced, but its certainly not zero value.

Exactly. Feeding animals however you do it, aint for free.

 

[Goweresque]

Some people on here take a very short sighted and uninformed view on other people's business when it is far more complicated than perhaps the OP may want to lay out for all on the internet.

Well people can only give a view on the facts presented. If there are relevant but withheld facts you can't complain that people haven't taken them into account when giving their viewpoint can you?

 

[Al R]

On the other hand how much of a guarantee do they have that they have the land in the future? I rent some land that’s been on 3 month informal agreements for 5 years, fencing is shocking (some going onto roads) I’ve spent a fair few weeks fencing it each years and still have to run electric in places as the owner wouldn’t spend on fences. I am paying a high rent on it too but it’s practically next door. If I knew I was going to have it for this long I would’ve fenced it at the start, now most of it has been sold off so in parts I am glad I didn’t fence it all!

 

[Al R]

Who said they were crap though? I never said they were crap, wobbly in parts at the very worst and, made wobbly I should add by their cows!

If that was what they thought, perhaps they should have said so, but they didn't and as they said they would deal with the fencing.

Some people on here take a very short sighted and uninformed view on other people's business when it is far more complicated than perhaps the OP may want to lay out for all on the internet.

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1 of the blocks of land I pay for, the owner supplies the posts and I knock them in, fortunately the wire at that farm is all pretty good though

 

[True North]

Well people can only give a view on the facts presented. If there are relevant but withheld facts you can't complain that people haven't taken them into account when giving their viewpoint can you?

There are tons of circumstances that have affected our decision to offer this for free.

The bottom line was that I asked was if someone offered to deal with the fencing....is string acceptable when they atre getting the grazing for free?

All I am talking about is tidying up barbed wire and posts that need some looking at, not re-fencing the whole bloody farm. Just not string?!

 

[glasshouse]

Rubbish. The grass has a value as hay or silage, the making of which doesn't require any fencing at all. Yes well fenced land will be worth more than unfenced, but its certainly not zero value.

Speak for yourself
If its parkland it wont be mowable with stumps, low branches , stones and haha etc. Probably no access for machinery either.
I have all these t shirts
Fences that are “wobbly in places” sound like they are done, like a bucket with a hole, no use.
A bloke was trying to rent me his parkland this spring, about thirty acres of crap, unused for 3 yrs, ragwort, thistles, 8ft gates, security entrance,low branches, i gave him someone elses number to try
Its still empty

 

[True North]

On the other hand how much of a guarantee do they have that they have the land in the future? I rent some land that’s been on 3 month informal agreements for 5 years, fencing is shocking (some going onto roads) I’ve spent a fair few weeks fencing it each years and still have to run electric in places as the owner wouldn’t spend on fences. I am paying a high rent on it too but it’s practically next door. If I knew I was going to have it for this long I would’ve fenced it at the start, now most of it has been sold off so in parts I am glad I didn’t fence it all!

This could be a good ongoing concern for both of us. Which is why we feel a bit ;-/ at how it's going so far. Although at this rate it will be a 3 summer grazing agreement and get them off.

It's convenient, wont be sold and could be a lifetime of income for both parties concerned.

 

[True North]

1 of the blocks of land I pay for, the owner supplies the posts and I knock them in, fortunately the wire at that farm is all pretty good though

I'd happily do this tbh. Perhaps a bit of a more detailed discussion is needed about expectations on both sides.

 

[True North]

Speak for yourself
If its parkland it wont be mowable with stumps, low branches , stones and haha etc. Probably no access for machinery either.
I have all these t shirts
Fences that are “wobbly in places” sound like they are done, like a bucket with a hole, no use.
A bloke was trying to rent me his parkland this spring, about thirty acres of crap, unused for 3 yrs, ragwort, thistles, 8ft gates, security entrance,low branches, i gave him someone elses number to try
Its still empty

That's a lot of assumptions about the land - wow!

Did you want the land parcel numbers to check?

 

[glasshouse]

That's a lot of assumptions about the land - wow!

Did you want the land parcel numbers to check?

Are the stock escaping?

 

[True North]

Are the stock escaping?

No...but there was a moment last week when I thought a cow could have come arse end out of a field (at height). Perhaps the string will save me next time ;-)

 

[glasshouse]

No...but there was a moment last week when I thought a cow could have come arse end out of a field (at height). Perhaps the string will save me next time ;-)

Well if they arent getting out, whats the problem?
When a farmer says he will “see to the fences”, that means he will see that they are stockproof, nothing more.
Fencing materials and fencers are in short supply, maybe there is a delay?

 

[True North]

Well if they arent getting out, whats the problem?
When a farmer says he will “see to the fences”, that means he will see that they are stockproof, nothing more.
Fencing materials and fencers are in short supply, maybe there is a delay?

The problem is they have had the grazing for nothing, grace and favour.

With that in mind and on the basis it is still very much on grace and favour (no payment) we expected a bit more than string in terms of it being stockproofed.

As I said, perhaps the details need to ne refined but what shouldn't be happening is free grazing with no upkeep to their end of the bargain with regards to land and field management.

I just want for it not to look worse than it did before. That said, we perhaps both need a clear idea of what that SHOULD look like.

 

[glasshouse]

The problem is they have had the grazing for nothing, grace and favour.

With that in mind and on the basis it is still very much on grace and favour (no payment) we expected a bit more than string in terms of it being stockproofed.

As I said, perhaps the details need to ne refined but what shouldn't be happening is free grazing with no upkeep to their end of the bargain with regards to land and field management.

I just want for it not to look worse than it did before. That said, we perhaps both need a clear idea of what that SHOULD look like.

Talk is cheap

 

[True North]

Talk is cheap

Aye. Tisn't it just.