Fencing: How do you do yours?

[Coximus]

I know, I know, bit more complicated for us currently, but otherwise yes this would be an option.

Well hows this for an example.im in Yorkshire and i get the rulew change. Round tje country.
Ive got free bits from 3 to 15 acres and im. Responsible for the fencing. In as good or better tjan the day i. Moved in, no thistles nettle or rush patches allowed, no string etc posts max 5meters apart, stock net and barb top. So if anything fails its a new fenxe post, re tension the wire, and if the wire goes fix it.
Obviously paying rent it depends on price, term and land as to. How. Much infrastructure i put in, but generally for free grazing its all. On me and must all be permanent fixes

 

[glasshouse]

Aye. Tisn't it just.

Yes, so you neeed to talk to the bloke and see if his interpretation of the deal is the same as yours

 

[Fat Lamb]

Yes, so you neeed to talk to the bloke and see if his interpretation of the deal is the same as yours

Talk to the other party and sort it out so you both no where you stand or get rid of said other party, fence it properly and then find someone who will pay a decent rent for what it is.

 

[glasshouse]

Talk to the other party and sort it out so you both no where you stand or get rid of said other party, fence it properly and then find someone who will pay a decent rent for what it is.

Capital investment???

 

[Fat Lamb]

Capital investment???

Is that a bad thing?

 

[7610 super q]

would you write something up yourself?

No. There's some that would take advantage and become squatters if you weren't careful. A properly worded agreement drawn up by someone that knows what they're doing is money well spent.
Take a look at all the AHA threads on here to see how landlords get treated.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

The other side of the story,

I have this 30 acre block of land taken, or rather is free for the upkeep of the fencing and keeping it tidy,
Now I have had it for 3 years now, and the even though the walls were up when I got it, they were not in the best of repair, with an odd bit looking dodgy, and the fencing had a bit of age to it, now its come to the time were some of the fencing wants renewed, as I am having to patch it with string, and walls wants a gap or 2 rebuilt to make good, its about 30 acre of reasonable grazing and its next door to my farm,
The question is I have no agreement of the length of how long I will have the land, and I am worried that if I renew to fencing and rebuilt the gaps in the wall, that the owner will take it back in hand, or rent it out to someone else,
I don't really want to approach the owner and ask or rock the boat, as they might see a value in it, so I will just have to keep using string etc and hope they don't notice,
I know its free of rent payment, but the cost of labour and materials to make it right, then on top I could loss it at any point is no benefit for me, its not bad land, and it suits me being so near,
Now if I was to fence it how quickly could they get me off the land, bearing in mind I have had it 3 years continuously, will some sort of tenancy agreement fall in place as in they cannot get me off for a certain period, so I could recoupe some of the costs ?
Or do I just keep on using string etc to make it stockproof, as nothing is getting out yet,
As having it free still comes at a cost, with fert going up etc, don't want to sound tight, but there is not the money in farming to do fencing and building walls on other people's land, as the uplift in land valve with all good fences will not benefit me,

 

[Tubbylew]

These types of agreements, rarely, (if ever) work. One party or the other inevitably feels on the losing side. Pay and be paid.

 

[glasshouse]

Is that a bad thing?

No, but some landlords expect to spend nothing and expect tenants to invest capital in the asset

 

[True North]

No. There's some that would take advantage and become squatters if you weren't careful. A properly worded agreement drawn up by someone that knows what they're doing is money well spent.
Take a look at all the AHA threads on here to see how landlords get treated.

Thank you, I will do.

 

[True North]

No, but some landlords expect to spend nothing and expect tenants to invest capital in the asset

I don't expect capital investment, I will happily provide posts and wire. I think we just need to have an idea of what the expectations are on both sides.

 

[True North]

The other side of the story,

I have this 30 acre block of land taken, or rather is free for the upkeep of the fencing and keeping it tidy,
Now I have had it for 3 years now, and the even though the walls were up when I got it, they were not in the best of repair, with an odd bit looking dodgy, and the fencing had a bit of age to it, now its come to the time were some of the fencing wants renewed, as I am having to patch it with string, and walls wants a gap or 2 rebuilt to make good, its about 30 acre of reasonable grazing and its next door to my farm,
The question is I have no agreement of the length of how long I will have the land, and I am worried that if I renew to fencing and rebuilt the gaps in the wall, that the owner will take it back in hand, or rent it out to someone else,
I don't really want to approach the owner and ask or rock the boat, as they might see a value in it, so I will just have to keep using string etc and hope they don't notice,
I know its free of rent payment, but the cost of labour and materials to make it right, then on top I could loss it at any point is no benefit for me, its not bad land, and it suits me being so near,
Now if I was to fence it how quickly could they get me off the land, bearing in mind I have had it 3 years continuously, will some sort of tenancy agreement fall in place as in they cannot get me off for a certain period, so I could recoupe some of the costs ?
Or do I just keep on using string etc to make it stockproof, as nothing is getting out yet,
As having it free still comes at a cost, with fert going up etc, don't want to sound tight, but there is not the money in farming to do fencing and building walls on other people's land, as the uplift in land valve with all good fences will not benefit me,

Yeah, one of the people who replied said they fenced it on the understanding it came with them if they were turfed off. I can see your point and we don't expect that, this would be a long term agreement for us as I say if we are both happy.

 

[True North]

Yes, so you neeed to talk to the bloke and see if his interpretation of the deal is the same as yours

Yeah I will do. I am new to it and I am learning a lot from just reading on here. I think some of it is managing expectations and as we are new, we are learning what is our responsibility and what we can reasonably expect from them.

That said, I think they need to pay really.

 

[True North]

Well hows this for an example.im in Yorkshire and i get the rulew change. Round tje country.
Ive got free bits from 3 to 15 acres and im. Responsible for the fencing. In as good or better tjan the day i. Moved in, no thistles nettle or rush patches allowed, no string etc posts max 5meters apart, stock net and barb top. So if anything fails its a new fenxe post, re tension the wire, and if the wire goes fix it.
Obviously paying rent it depends on price, term and land as to. How. Much infrastructure i put in, but generally for free grazing its all. On me and must all be permanent fixes

Yeah I think this is what we hoped for really. We need to have a discussion, there's patches of nettles and really I feel like we need to work on both our expectations of what we can expect.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

The other side of the story,

I have this 30 acre block of land taken, or rather is free for the upkeep of the fencing and keeping it tidy,
Now I have had it for 3 years now, and the even though the walls were up when I got it, they were not in the best of repair, with an odd bit looking dodgy, and the fencing had a bit of age to it, now its come to the time were some of the fencing wants renewed, as I am having to patch it with string, and walls wants a gap or 2 rebuilt to make good, its about 30 acre of reasonable grazing and its next door to my farm,
The question is I have no agreement of the length of how long I will have the land, and I am worried that if I renew to fencing and rebuilt the gaps in the wall, that the owner will take it back in hand, or rent it out to someone else,
I don't really want to approach the owner and ask or rock the boat, as they might see a value in it, so I will just have to keep using string etc and hope they don't notice,
I know its free of rent payment, but the cost of labour and materials to make it right, then on top I could loss it at any point is no benefit for me, its not bad land, and it suits me being so near,
Now if I was to fence it how quickly could they get me off the land, bearing in mind I have had it 3 years continuously, will some sort of tenancy agreement fall in place as in they cannot get me off for a certain period, so I could recoupe some of the costs ?
Or do I just keep on using string etc to make it stockproof, as nothing is getting out yet,
As having it free still comes at a cost, with fert going up etc, don't want to sound tight, but there is not the money in farming to do fencing and building walls on other people's land, as the uplift in land valve with all good fences will not benefit me,

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[glasshouse]

About fifteen years ago i got pestered continuously to put some sheep on overgrown parkland.
Eventually i gave in and put some on.
They ate out the docks and ragwort, got it looking good, he then gave it to someone else

 

[puppet]

Get an agreement for seasonal grazing or you will have a long-term hassle. Either agree an annual rent which converts to an equivalent amount of fencing or charge a reasonable rent which will pay your fencing bills.
30 acres of reasonable grazing must be worth over a £1000 a year which would be 150m of full fencing replacement per year.

 

[Coximus]

Yeah I think this is what we hoped for really. We need to have a discussion, there's patches of nettles and really I feel like we need to work on both our expectations of what we can expect.

Ha just offer it to me. Ive accidentally brought 15 grazon bottles not 5.

 

[tepapa]

There's only a problem because there isn't any discussion between both parties.

There needs to be a meeting and really a rent payable for the grazing. Then the owner can use that money to replace fences or tidy up areas.

Really there's 3 lost years but that's too late now so going forward the land owner needs to invest in their own asset so it meets their expectations and the grazier should pay a rent for use of the land.

No-one needs to fall out over it but with it all down on paper then both sides know what to expect.

 

[True North]

There's only a problem because there isn't any discussion between both parties.

There needs to be a meeting and really a rent payable for the grazing. Then the owner can use that money to replace fences or tidy up areas.

Really there's 3 lost years but that's too late now so going forward the land owner needs to invest in their own asset so it meets their expectations and the grazier should pay a rent for use of the land.

No-one needs to fall out over it but with it all down on paper then both sides know what to expect.

Yeah definitely. We dont want to fall out just want it right from here on in