ollie989898
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You are joking! What a joke.
Fendt or Fastrac
- Thread starter Banana Bar
- Start date
You are joking! What a joke.
- Location
- Shropshire
No, bloke in a house reported I’d broken his electric line when I went passed on the road (I hadn’t) and called the police. Police officer breathalysed me even though I was cutting the middle of the field and had been for the previous 2 hours.
Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
You can set it off your master spray switch too. When you turn it off activates 4ws.
The delay mode isn't very good in my opinion. Still get 2 lots of wheel marks. In true 4ws they both follow perfectly.
ollie989898
Member
Jobsworths. How would you know you had taken out his line?
Really. ?. Heard it all now .Horsch sprayed designed round a Fendt ?. , and regarding tracking , is it not how it’s set up with centre of rotation in sprsyer box ,
@Feldspar . curiosity has got the better of me , having just spoke to Horsch man and rep . Got one coming this week to see what they do
Yes I know it was crazy of Theo Leeb to design a trailed sprayer that worked so well behind a domestic tractor brand that has a market share of approx 40% in Germany in the 201-300hp sector. Even more of a disaster to design a sprayer that integrated so well with a tractor with a fully programmable joystick, fully functioning ISOBUS and integrated section control and guidance, all through the one screen. Horsch must now be kicking themselves that sales are so poor and no one is considering changing from the convenience of self-propelled to trailed machines. They must be even more frustrated that other tractor brands have now caught up and that their excellent software works in many more brands, perhaps they will learn from the error of their ways and return to a Muller system..........
Perhaps I should not be sarcastic. Perhaps sometimes someone designs a machine that is a game changer or a leap in progress. ?
With the Horsch sprayer it is not only boom control, automated cleaning and stability, but the fact that it is plug and play. So once in the tractor cab there is no difference to being in a self-propelled other than increased comfort. Originally this was all marketed using fully loaded Fendt's as they had the ability from the outset, particularly the joystick. It is a bit like John Deere being ahead of the rest with guidance initially, Fendt were ahead with more sophisticated controls/ISOBUS/CVT's etc. In fact one could argue the latest cabs being rolled out this year are too complicated for many part-time operators.Another factor to consider in choice of tractors is can more than one tractor be used on the sprayer. It doesn't necessarily have to be the right size but useful in an emergency. First time I went to a demo in Dorset a 4 cylinder 516 was being used.
With regards to tracking there is no sprayer box these days, a gyroscope on the sprayer sorts this. A Horsch sprayer will follow the rear wheels of any brand of tractor the same. I hope your demo goes well.
ollie989898
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Yes I know it was crazy of Theo Leeb to design a trailed sprayer that worked so well behind a domestic tractor brand that has a market share of approx 40% in Germany in the 201-300hp sector. Even more of a disaster to design a sprayer that integrated so well with a tractor with a fully programmable joystick, fully functioning ISOBUS and integrated section control and guidance, all through the one screen. Horsch must now be kicking themselves that sales are so poor and no one is considering changing from the convenience of self-propelled to trailed machines. They must be even more frustrated that other tractor brands have now caught up and that their excellent software works in many more brands, perhaps they will learn from the error of their ways and return to a Muller system..........
Perhaps I should not be sarcastic. Perhaps sometimes someone designs a machine that is a game changer or a leap in progress. ?
Another factor to consider in choice of tractors is can more than one tractor be used on the sprayer. It doesn't necessarily have to be the right size but useful in an emergency. First time I went to a demo in Dorset a 4 cylinder 516 was being used.
With regards to tracking there is no sprayer box these days, a gyroscope on the sprayer sorts this. A Horsch sprayer will follow the rear wheels of any brand of tractor the same. I hope your demo goes well.
What seems so outrageous that Horsch would choose to optimise their sprayer around a Fendt? Makes sense to me as you say because of their gearbox, vario terminals, Isobus and built in joystick.
Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Waste of time of you don't have a fendt.
- Location
- North Kent, UK
My Horsch is behind a Massey ..... I knew I must have made a mistake somewhere!!
- Location
- N.Yorkshire
Plugged straight into the isobus on the NH and everything is on one screen a lot less cluttered. It ain’t no fendt but its a bigger unit than the 724 which comes in handy when conditions get interesting!
That’s great that you can on a NH, like I said other tractor brands have caught up. Nothing wrong with innovation and couldn’t agree more about a 724 when things get interesting. Just doesn’t have the ability to grip on really steep hills and transfer all of its power with a trailed machine. If you don’t have serious slopes then no problem. That’s what’s great about having a Horsch you can quickly connect it up to whatever tractor is free and suited. That is providing the tractor has the correct kit which many will have now on arable/veg farms. In my case none of our JD’s (old) work with the Horsch but both a 724 and 939 Fendt can, the latter with huge tyres and excellent turning circle for size (previous 828 was even better on 710’s in winter months, about 10.5-11m) It’s the cost of engines and R&D that have made self-propelled sprayers so unaffordable. No point paying for stuff twice, I think it’s great that finally ISOBUS and GPS etc are fully functional across different brands and machines, at last....! It has taken along time to get there. Personally and it is only a personal perspective, I prefer the integration of a Horsch sprayer through Fendt’s ISOBUS than that of a Fastrac. Also a 4220
will not climb many of my hills. In Suffolk that may not be an issue. I like the ability to use different tractors on the sprayer and make maximum use of them when not, otherwise it starts to make self-propelled sprayers look less expensive. The OP was asking about a choice between a Fastrac and a Fendt, we all know for what purpose he was asking. Seems some prefer 4WS on narrower tyres, others more conventional tractors on bigger rubber and I am sure BB will make the right decision for his business based on his choice having looked at all the options.
- Location
- N.Yorkshire
Our 4220 is on 600/70r30 and if some of our fields weren’t so awkward then it would be a perfect rig, if it had the weight pack back of the cab then it might even manage. 828 is a good size similar to our t7 but so expensive.
puntabrava
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- Location
- Wiltshire
I do know of somebody given points/fine on the A303 in Wiltshire for speeding in a Fendt, there was an officer with a bit of a reputation for targeting tractors.
Can they do that on private property?
Finn farmer
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Drunk driving is illegal wherever you are. Even if you're drunk driving a moped around a kitchen table in your own cottage in middle of a forest with the doors locked it's still illegal. Or that's how it is teached to us at the driving school. ?
really??
Finn farmer
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Yes. Only thing you can drunk drive legally is a bicycle, e-scooter or E-bike that doesn't go over 25km/h. Don't know about Britain though. Drivable lawn mower is also illegal to drive drunk at your own yard.
your not allowed to ride a bicycle on the roads drunk here.
didnt realise you not in the UK when i first read your message. As far as I am aware, you can rink drive on private property here, as long as its not work, as then you would fall under H&S at work act, whihc would rule it out pretty much?
Finn farmer
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Well, technically riding a bike drunk isn't "legal" here, but it's a law that isn't supervised. Much like the law that says that you need to wear a helmet while riding a bicycle, yeah it's a law but the police doesn't write you a ticket if you ride without a helmet. Stupid things like that.
Seems to me the keyboard warriors on here have already made up there mind about the abilities of the modern Fastrac. Neither having sat in one or operated one. Put 600 tyres on your Fendt ( I’ve nothing against a Fendt by the way) at the same track setting and see for yourself how they turn. Don’t expect to turn into a field at 30 psi and do wonders either,with any make. You’re not qualified to comment until you’ve tried one. Have a nice day.