Fengrain Storage (275t) available to buy at a discounted price

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
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Midlands
Got a price at the moment for a 1500t grain store for £101,000 erected which includes a fan house, doors, foundations, erection etc. Over 25 years that’s £2.70/t/year. Over 50 years it’s £1.34/t/year and over 75 years that’s £0.90/t/year.
I’m just waiting for the price for both a flat concrete floor with above ground laterals and underfloor laterals and a fan so this needs to be added in, but even so it’ll be no where near your annual charge or anywhere near the CS buy in cost.

If I was you I’d speak to your contract farms, ask them for a 25 year deal and build sheds at the home farm as it’ll save you money and then give you something to sell/rent out when the contracts finished.

25 year CFA deal? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

robs1

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@robs1 don’t quite get the analogy of contract hiring a tractor and central storage!
i wouldn’t contemplate contract hiring a tractor I had already bought would I, in my opinion that’s what you are doing with central storage.
With all the contract hire deals I have seen it looks like you pay for whatever your hiring but end up with nothing, perhaps with careless drivers it might work but it never seems to add up for me.
Horses for course
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
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Suffolk
With all the contract hire deals I have seen it looks like you pay for whatever your hiring but end up with nothing, perhaps with careless drivers it might work but it never seems to add up for me.
Horses for course
That more like using commercial storage
 

Andrew K

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Arable Farmer
Location
Essex
We use CS for about 25% of our output and it works well.Anything the store can add value to, such as ergot removal in milling wheat,drying of beans or just cleaning or colour sorting crops with issues,or that benefit from segregation , or small areas that would occupy too much of my space.
I have never had a rejection from CS either , and avoid the knocks from self interested merchants....
 
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ajd132

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Arable Farmer
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Suffolk
We use CS for about 25% of our output and it works well.Anything the store can add value to, such as ergot removal in milling wheat,drying of beans or just cleaning or colour sorting crops with issues,or that benefit from segregation , or small areas that would occupy too much of my space.
I have never had a rejection from CS either , and avoid the knocks from self interested merchants....
Segregation is a great positive of them. No farming around storage space. Also harvest not being dictated by an on farm drier.
 

Jetemp

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Location
North Yorkshire
I think your a bit out of touch with sheds having not used them for so long. We’ve got grain stores still in full use built by my grandfather in the late 50’s. Fortunately he had the foresight to build tall so we can tip modern trailers in them. All we do to them is clean them out every year. They still have the original Typhoon fans and the only repairs ever done have been two rewires to confirm with safety. Structurally nothing other than an insurance claim 10 years ago when a student took the front of the roof off by the door. They hold 1000t each and cost £4850 to build. They haven’t even cost 1 penny per tonne over the last 70 years. Even if they need new fans at some point it’ll be nothing cost wise. New sheds will be the same. The ones I’ve put up are with the future in mind and they don’t cost anywhere near the figures quoted on here.

agree completely with you re price of grain stores. We built a 10000t store underfloor cooling laterals with a 50t/hour continuous flow drier and all handling equipment along with weighbridge etc etc for less that half the cost of some of the prices quoted!
 
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robs1

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agree completely with you re price of grain stores. We built a 10000t store underfloor cooling laterals with a 50t/hour continuous flow drier and all handling equipment along with weighbridge etc etc for less that half the cost of some of the prices quoted!
Not disputing your cost, but with cs they are complete costs including the cost of land, planning, professional respect etc which are often forgotten when farmers quote the cost of a shed, also cs have the ability to store many different grades and crops which is far more expensive than one big heap. Are there cheaper ways to store crops than cs ? Possibly for some people in some circumstances, the opposite also applies.
We all make choices for our own reasons
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
agree completely with you re price of grain stores. We built a 10000t store underfloor cooling laterals with a 50t/hour continuous flow drier and all handling equipment along with weighbridge etc etc for less that half the cost of some of the prices quoted!

Good for you. Cost per tonne does come down with scale. That's profit for your boss on his own land. Now, how are you going to keep hundreds of farmers happy and uplift their grain within 24 hours notice into at least 8 intakes, 5 driers, 44 distinct grades, a couple of gravity separators and a colour sorter?

I'd hazard a guess and say that's not the same level of service you provide, so I'd expect you to be cheaper than a CS as you occupy a different segment of the market.
 
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Flat 10

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Fen Edge
Good for you. Cost per tonne does come down with scale. That's profit for your boss on his own land. Now, how are you going to keep hundreds of farmers happy and uplift their grain within 24 hours notice into at least 8 intakes, 5 driers, 44 distinct grades, a couple of gravity separators and a colour sorter?

I'd hazard a guess and say that's not the same level of service you provide, so I'd expect you to be cheaper than a CS as you occupy a different segment of the market.
I don’t know how adj gets on but there were several last harvest who weren’t uplifted for a week or two, I think there was even a thread on here about it......
Camgrain that is. I would have a fit if I had paid to buy in and then another fee for it to sit for a week or more.
 

Brisel

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Midlands
I don’t know how adj gets on but there were several last harvest who weren’t uplifted for a week or two, I think there was even a thread on here about it......

I remember. Bit of a haulage shortage and were caught out by an earlier start to harvest while many of the trucks were away on other duties.
 

ajd132

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Location
Suffolk
I don’t know how adj gets on but there were several last harvest who weren’t uplifted for a week or two, I think there was even a thread on here about it......
Camgrain that is. I would have a fit if I had paid to buy in and then another fee for it to sit for a week or more.
Yeh there was big issues industry wide last year. Didnt have a problem myself as organise my own haulage.
I do know the issues were thoroughly reviewed and dissected with members at the agm, pie and pint evenings and a haulage forum (which only a few people actually turned up to in the end)
Obviously CG relies on quick haulage so this exacerbated the problem.
I have faith the situation has been reviewed and sorted for the better.
 

Lincsman

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
agree completely with you re price of grain stores. We built a 10000t store underfloor cooling laterals with a 50t/hour continuous flow drier and all handling equipment along with weighbridge etc etc for less that half the cost of some of the prices quoted!

And more to the point it will still be there and yours for as long as you and your successors want it, not relying on others to keep your investment alive. Angus grain.
 

Lincsman

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
I think it’s abit unfair to compare very poorly run and thought out central stores with the good ones. You could make the same comparison about anything.
Very true, but the option of giving £200/tonne to a man who puts a shed up in your yard or another man who has it in his yard and might go out of business with your shed as an asset, possibly before you get to use it, is a no brainer to me.
 

ajd132

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Suffolk
Very true, but the option of giving £200/tonne to a man who puts a shed up in your yard or another man who has it in his yard and might go out of business with your shed as an asset, possibly before you get to use it, is a no brainer to me.
It’s not ‘giving it to a man’ it is owned by a group of farmers rather than one. The board then select the best management team possible. Obviously some have been mis managed and run poorly.
 

D14

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It’s not ‘giving it to a man’ it is owned by a group of farmers rather than one. The board then select the best management team possible. Obviously some have been mis managed and run poorly.

CG could go bust just like all the others. The problem you have is it’s got 5000 tonnes of your milling wheat in it when it does which is worth today £960,000 and then you loose the £110/t buy in at £550,000 and you might depending on timing also loose your £11/t £55,000 annual charge. Nearly £1.6 million overnight. Would you survive that? Would your farmer clients?

If you’ve got sheds you can only loose what’s been delivered off a single contract and why most of us just sell 1 load at a time.
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
CG could go bust just like all the others. The problem you have is it’s got 5000 tonnes of your milling wheat in it when it does which is worth today £960,000 and then you loose the £110/t buy in at £550,000 and you might depending on timing also loose your £11/t £55,000 annual charge. Nearly £1.6 million overnight. Would you survive that? Would your farmer clients?

If you’ve got sheds you can only loose what’s been delivered off a single contract and why most of us just sell 1 load at a time.
I suggest you talk to them about how the business is structure to make it safe to members. It is as safe as being on farm.
 

D14

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I suggest you talk to them about how the business is structure to make it safe to members. It is as safe as being on farm.

I suggest you talk to the members of Viking grain that had similar assurances. I know two people who were mixed up in that. It finished one at the time. Lost his 250ac farm.
 

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