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- South Molton
I point out how it has and can damage the planet and environment.
Fert prices vs fallow ?
- Thread starter Clive
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I point out how it has and can damage the planet and environment.
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- Ceredigion
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- Welshpool Powys
Yours must be very sharp by now desAnd we could argue that until the cows come home ,but then its only my opnion against yours , but then i dont own an axe , you must have worn a good few out
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Better than being a straw man.And we could argue that until the cows come home ,but then its only my opnion against yours , but then i dont own an axe , you must have worn a good few out
You don't own an axe?
Every mention of grass seed and your in a thread.
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- Ceredigion
I sell a lot of Organic Grass seed
Im a member of the Organic Assosiotion fully paid up
Most of my Small bale hay i sell is Organic ,i happen to beileve its better for the horses due to its lower sugar content, i would choose organic eggs beef and milk over convetional , thats not to say i think there is anything wrong with the alternatives , I just dont preach about it and pull others down like you
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- Ceredigion
My two chainsaws are very sharpYours must be very sharp by now des
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- South Molton
Organic farming can damage soil as can conventional ag, it would be interesting to see the carbon footprint of both systems on a per acre basis and a per unit of output, I suspect on an acre basis organic would be better but on an unit of output I expect a modern conventional farm would be better.
Do you not think the co2 debacle has shown what rot the whole carbon footprint thing is? When supermarkets are pumping plastic bags with c02 to keep veg fresh do you think anyone gives a fig about sids carbon footprint?
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- Ceredigion
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- South Molton
You have done twice as many post as me
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- South Molton
One instrument of measurement
Biodiversity
Animal welfare
Soil health
Chemical residues
To name a few
Ok biodiversity, we used to make silage on an organic farm, red clover and ryegrass keys reserved every three years or so, slurry sprayed on after each cut, apart from the docks it was a very productive system but no biodiversity at all, compare that to a another farm we did, mostly PP with about 50 units of N per acre for first cut his fields were full of insects etc and a tremendous number of grass species ,
Animal welfare, both sides can be good or bad and imvho based on the farmer not which system is used,
Soil health, why do you think ploughing out grass to grow cereals every three or four years is better than my system of direct drilling cereals and applying muck and drilling into it ? You burn a lot more fuel to get a seed bed than I do.
Chemical residues, yes that's a possibility
When we had a dairy herd we used to try and work with nature and used as few drugs etc as possible, it was a grass based spring calving system with home grown cereals etc. Probably one of the best sustainable and welfare systems there is, however unlike many in the organic world I dont live on a high horse condemning others while ignoring the downside of organics . Plenty of space for both ways
Have you missed all the bad press about farming and emissions ? Of course people are about sids CO2 and carbon footprint, because they are told it's a big deal, have you seen a single word about the CO2 going into these bags or fizzy drinks ?
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- South Molton
Doesn'tsound like your comparing similar systems. I have a mixture of more intensive leys and less intensive.
But the biodiversity is still there with skylarks and hares etc. The insects have to be there at the base level for the food chain to work, you don't get that with insecticide etc.
Animal welfare has set stocking density on organic farms, IIRC half of the standard for red tractor. Huge difference.
Plenty of organic farmers use minimal cultivations.
We have when establishing forage crops.
You don't have to plough.
I havent used an insecticide since 2010, there is a school of thought that dd doesnt harm the beneficials unlike ANY form of soil cultivation .
Not sure why stocking density is to do with welfare as I said some people put a lot of care into their animals others dont .
All your post says to me is that both organic and non organic can be good and bad, my moto is to farm with nature not fight it.
Imvho too many organic farmers are like vegans and environmental warriors, too obsessed with their own superiority to see their own faults and problems so spend all their time telling the rest of the world how evil they are
I think people are confused that they are on one hand being told to cut carbon emissions and on the other hand they find out that the country will literally grind to a halt without it. This is the problem when people only tell part of story......
Very true, just like the organic non organic arguments
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- Owaka, New Zealand
or only see something grey, in black and white
"I would never smack my child, coz that's abuse"
even a badger has more clue about grey