Fertiliser decisions

[Zippy768]

Probably not the only one in this position.
We generally use Urea and at the moment no rain ? and been warm and sunny.

The situation I have is wheat has only had 40u and its sulphur, half S Barley (now emerging) has had nothing, 2nd half S Barley, I had the sense to put a 3rd of its N in seedbed.
I have a limited bit of AN. Do I...
1. Stretch it out and put a bit on wheat and the unferted SB?
2. All on wheat?
3. All on unferted SB?
4. Don't bother because it will just sit there until it rains?

 

[tw15]

Put some more on ww and do the spring barley that has nothing at least . Ww here now has 120 kg on it sb has had 60 kg ha on , it don't make a crop grow when its in the bag or tank . I do see your worry about loosing some in this dry time but you don't want to miss any rain that might come someday.

 

[MrNoo]

Talking about a bit of rain this w-end, I am in the same boat, WW had 90kg/N and some SW had that in the seedbed, rest nothing. Waiting for a lorry load to turn up but have some in shed, so will bang what I have on.

 

[Zippy768]

Put some more on ww and do the spring barley that has nothing at least . Ww here now has 120 kg on it sb has had 60 kg ha on , it don't make a crop grow when its in the bag or tank . I do see your worry about loosing some in this dry time but you don't want to miss any rain that might come someday.

I mean I could stretch out what little AN I have, meaning everything will have something next to it. But will that AN just sit still until rain? In which case I could race round with the original Urea plan before any rain events

 

[Steevo]

How much have you got to do? If you can cover it in a day or so and wait until just before rain is forecast I would do that.
If not, then still better off putting it on.

My wheat all had 100kgN three weeks ago and that is now washed in and the crop is turning. Spring barley has had the same in the seedbed before planting last week.

Planning to put the rest on SB next week or perhaps by end of this week if the rain looks likely, and probably go round the wheat with another top up dose at the same time. Final dose for wheat (minus protein spray) will follow sometime next month.

 

[Zippy768]

How much have you got to do? If you can cover it in a day or so and wait until just before rain is forecast I would do that.
If not, then still better off putting it on.

My wheat all had 100kgN three weeks ago and that is now washed in and the crop is turning. Spring barley has had the same in the seedbed before planting last week.

Planning to put the rest on SB next week or perhaps by end of this week if the rain looks likely, and probably go round the wheat with another top up dose at the same time. Final dose for wheat (minus protein spray) will follow sometime next month.

Yep, can get round in a good day. But thought if no rain about (fingers crossed some at weekend), MAYBE the AN will disappear- and I'd feel better for doing something

 

[Brisel]

8mm forecast for Thursday/Friday this week!

I've heard that before - we were supposed to get 5mm last Friday but nothing happened, not even a dark cloud appeared.

 

[Steevo]

8mm forecast for Thursday/Friday this week!

I've heard that before - we were supposed to get 5mm last Friday but nothing happened, not even a dark cloud appeared.

Looking similar here......then if you push on a week not a drop to be seen. I can see plenty of fertiliser being spread this week.

 

[Wombat]

We have nothing more forecast this month so that will be 1.5mm in 6 weeks so I think I will just pop it on and see if some dews will take it in

 

[DrWazzock]

I am in uncharted waters.
Spring barley has half in the seedbed and will have half at 2 leaf. I think that’s alright.
The winter wheat has had 50 kgN but it’s not at stem extension. Usually hold off till early stem extension then give it three doses as we don’t do well with lots of tillers here. But this year we have very few tillers anyway due to late drilling. Give it the lot and close the gate?
Will soon need a hammer to smash the crystalline layer of various fertilisers sat on the surface.

 

[Flat 10]

How much have you got to do? If you can cover it in a day or so and wait until just before rain is forecast I would do that.
If not, then still better off putting it on.

My wheat all had 100kgN three weeks ago and that is now washed in and the crop is turning. Spring barley has had the same in the seedbed before planting last week.

Planning to put the rest on SB next week or perhaps by end of this week if the rain looks likely, and probably go round the wheat with another top up dose at the same time. Final dose for wheat (minus protein spray) will follow sometime next month.

How much more N is your SB due please?

 

[Flat 10]

I am in uncharted waters.
Spring barley has half in the seedbed and will have half at 2 leaf. I think that’s alright.
The winter wheat has had 50 kgN but it’s not at stem extension. Usually hold off till early stem extension then give it three doses as we don’t do well with lots of tillers here. But this year we have very few tillers anyway due to late drilling. Give it the lot and close the gate?
Will soon need a hammer to smash the crystalline layer of various fertilisers sat on the surface.

Your last sentence is true here 2 out of 3 years it seems like.

 

[Surgery]

Will be cutting back on ww due to being able to see a mouse running around in some , cant wait to see it stubbles as not looking good

 

[B R C]

Is it just me who put all N on SB and spring sown winter oats straight after rolling? My thoughts were that at the beginning of April it is already later that ideal, drying rapidly and not much rain forecast so just want it to be as available as possible. We did have 2/3 mm a couple of nights ago which was welcome. Usually use 2/3 urea 1/3 nit ram but as no winter crops this year went with all Nitram in expectation of current conditions...

 

[tw15]

8mm forecast for Thursday/Friday this week!

I've heard that before - we were supposed to get 5mm last Friday but nothing happened, not even a dark cloud appeared.

Don't give up your day job Brisel last time you said it was going to rain it never happened . It looks more likely this time we might get some .

 

[Steevo]

How much more N is your SB due please?

Likely 150kg/ha total so anotehr 50kgN which will be going on before this rain spell.

Is it just me who put all N on SB and spring sown winter oats straight after rolling? My thoughts were that at the beginning of April it is already later that ideal, drying rapidly and not much rain forecast so just want it to be as available as possible. We did have 2/3 mm a couple of nights ago which was welcome. Usually use 2/3 urea 1/3 nit ram but as no winter crops this year went with all Nitram in expectation of current conditions...

Mine was spread on the stubble before ploughing so should be available without the need for any rain. I was tempted to apply all in one shot on the stubble and would have considered if I was planting it with a fertiliser drill but since not I thought some fertiliser above the seed spread after planting and some below might be handy.

 

[Flat 10]

Likely 150kg/ha total so anotehr 50kgN which will be going on before this rain spell.



Mine was spread on the stubble before ploughing so should be available without the need for any rain. I was tempted to apply all in one shot on the stubble and would have considered if I was planting it with a fertiliser drill but since not I thought some fertiliser above the seed spread after planting and some below might be handy.

Never heard of anyone ploughing down N. Hope it works for you. 150 is a lot more than we ever do but then we go for malting most years (though why i'm bothering this year i have no idea).

 

[robbie]

Never heard of anyone ploughing down N. Hope it works for you. 150 is a lot more than we ever do but then we go for malting most years (though why i'm bothering this year i have no idea).

I'm not sure how quickly a crop of spring barley would get hold of N ploughed down, I'd have thought it would be a few weeks before roots reached plough depth. Spread on the ploughed and worked into the top few inches with the drill would be my preferred option but im always keen to hear about other techniques, I'm not criticising if it works crack on.

@flat10 I've got enough N in the shed to go with a planned 120 units on spring barley, sod the maltsters crown or for farmers wont will gladly take it.

 

[Brisel]

Don't give up your day job Brisel last time you said it was going to rain it never happened . It looks more likely this time we might get some .

I’m a farmer not a meteorologist! When do YOU think it will rain? All my N on apart from the last 100 kg N dose on the winter wheat. All pre ems on too. A bit of rain would wake them up, hopefully.

 

[Zippy768]

I'm not sure how quickly a crop of spring barley would get hold of N ploughed down, I'd have thought it would be a few weeks before roots reached plough depth. Spread on the ploughed and worked into the top few inches with the drill would be my preferred option but im always keen to hear about other techniques, I'm not criticising if it works crack on.

@flat10 I've got enough N in the shed to go with a planned 120 units on spring barley, sod the maltsters crown or for farmers wont will gladly take it.

120units on spinrg barley?
Why so much? You're on lighter ground arent you?