Fertiliser Price Tracker

redsloe

Member
Location
Cornwall
Holding off in the current situation seems a high risk strategy to me. The price is one thing but then there are the logistics and having it on farm when you actually need it.
Will the haulage situation be resolved by next spring?
Course it will. The army can transport it when everyone has enough fuel!🙄

Maybe even an armed guard....🤣
 

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Set within a kind of island within our farm is a retired chap with about 10ha. He lets a small farmer mow it for hay. Nothing else happens to it, not grazed, no Inputs... I’ve been watching with some interest, now been here 8 years, the hay is the same and a fair crop every year, In fact (due to the early weather) this year it was the earliest and best crop ever😳
Well, it gets me thinking🤔

I feel the same about a local equine centre.
No inputs, hard grazed and they continually want my sheep to keep on top of all the growth, especially clover!
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
Holding off in the current situation seems a high risk strategy to me. The price is one thing but then there are the logistics and having it on farm when you actually need it.
Will the haulage situation be resolved by next spring?
Yeah, yeah!
We all know you bought all yours before the price rises.

Haven't sold any wheat or osr yet. Well done.😴👍

Could the mods make it a sticky at top of fertiliser and combinable price tracker threads?
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Only going to need 5 ton next spring anyway. Never buy till I need it. Not going to change plans this year.
Don't think I'm going to spend £3k + on fert on just 20 acres. Yields seem to be capped at 2.5-3 ton/ acre (SB) thanks to either drought or monsoon, sometimes both.
I reckon I can get 1.5 ton acre without fert. Might do this, or even fallow it.
Got to draw the line somewhere.
 

Jim75

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Easter ross
No way does a few U.K. farmers buying fert now have any effect on the price, we are in a black swan event and it’s an international problem.
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robs1

Member
Set within a kind of island within our farm is a retired chap with about 10ha. He lets a small farmer mow it for hay. Nothing else happens to it, not grazed, no Inputs... I’ve been watching with some interest, now been here 8 years, the hay is the same and a fair crop every year, In fact (due to the early weather) this year it was the earliest and best crop ever😳
Well, it gets me thinking🤔
It's amazing how pp will produce decent crops year after year with no inputs yet new leys die out unless lots of N
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Only going to need 5 ton next spring anyway. Never buy till I need it. Not going to change plans this year.
Don't think I'm going to spend £3k + on fert on just 20 acres. Yields seem to be capped at 2.5-3 ton/ acre (SB) thanks to either drought or monsoon, sometimes both.
I reckon I can get 1.5 ton acre without fert. Might do this, or even fallow it.
Got to draw the line somewhere.

i always think the first kg gives a better return than the last; so it doesn’t have to be all or nothing, half the normal dose?
That’s my plan anyway...
At the moment🤔
 

balerman

Member
Location
N Devon
i always think the first kg gives a better return than the last; so it doesn’t have to be all or nothing, half the normal dose?
That’s my plan anyway...
At the moment🤔
Absolutely,I think most of us will be cutting down.Been putting 140 units on winter barley after maize,I reckon it can manage on half that…
 

Lincsman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Set within a kind of island within our farm is a retired chap with about 10ha. He lets a small farmer mow it for hay. Nothing else happens to it, not grazed, no Inputs... I’ve been watching with some interest, now been here 8 years, the hay is the same and a fair crop every year, In fact (due to the early weather) this year it was the earliest and best crop ever😳
Well, it gets me thinking🤔
Roadsides yield similar hay crops every year.
 

whiteford

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Highlands
This is the danger, fert producers have suddenly found doubling the price makes no difference to demand.. so its set a new standard for higher profits.
It will certainly have an effect on demand, the whole world will use considerably less nitrogen this year, there is no question about that.

It may not have a great effect on fertiliser companies turnover though, due to high price, but if will effect their bottom line if their costs of production are to be believed.

My Australian contact has told me,that in his opinion wheat at $370/£200 per ton isn't that appealing. Bear in mind this is marginal land with an average yeild of 2t/ha and a high of 3t/ha. If he's already debating if it's worth the risk, which is very present in western Australia and a vast area of canada (think serious drought and combining thousands of hectares just to collect next year's seed) then a vast area of the world is thinking the same.

In the UK we really don't have these kind of concerns, the worst that could happen is prices drop just after final fert application, when it's too late to fold your hand and we achieve a poor yeild. Even a drought by UK standards provides enough yeild to provide some return on investment.

It's my opinion that we will see a vastly reduced area of marginal land planted this year and subsequently a vastly reduced use of nitrogen, combined with the reduced usage on prime acres will add up to a massive reduction in use.

My greatest surprise is that the funds aren't going all in on next year's wheat futures yet, as surely a reduced volume is to be expected.
 

county down

Member
Location
downpatrick
It will certainly have an effect on demand, the whole world will use considerably less nitrogen this year, there is no question about that.

It may not have a great effect on fertiliser companies turnover though, due to high price, but if will effect their bottom line if their costs of production are to be believed.

My Australian contact has told me,that in his opinion wheat at $370/£200 per ton isn't that appealing. Bear in mind this is marginal land with an average yeild of 2t/ha and a high of 3t/ha. If he's already debating if it's worth the risk, which is very present in western Australia and a vast area of canada (think serious drought and combining thousands of hectares just to collect next year's seed) then a vast area of the world is thinking the same.

In the UK we really don't have these kind of concerns, the worst that could happen is prices drop just after final fert application, when it's too late to fold your hand and we achieve a poor yeild. Even a drought by UK standards provides enough yeild to provide some return on investment.

It's my opinion that we will see a vastly reduced area of marginal land planted this year and subsequently a vastly reduced use of nitrogen, combined with the reduced usage on prime acres will add up to a massive reduction in use.

My greatest surprise is that the funds aren't going all in on next year's wheat futures yet, as surely a reduced volume is to be expected.
if overall world grain production dropped 10% what would the price do?
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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