Fertiliser Price Tracker

[teslacoils]

Water job is so stuffed. All the regulated dosh goes to tax havens. So sad

 

[SilliamWhale]

Is it because with every year that passes, we get further from the memory of how badly nationalised industries were run?

Well maybe. I dont know

 

[Old apprentice]

A high percentage of water is lost to poor infrostructur , just the opposite to the likes of germany.

 

[crazy_bull]

I definitely think all utilities should be in public ownership, steel, fert etc should be protected from the boom and bust of the modern world.

Ok so two major global commodities are now government owned in this scenario, where does it stop? You are told what price you will work for and the farms are now run as collectives?

I do get the frustration with the wild moves in some commodities, but we can’t ask for state controlled inputs without state controlled outputs?

C B

 

[Renaultman]

Ok so two major global commodities are now government owned in this scenario, where does it stop? You are told what price you will work for and the farms are now run as collectives?

I do get the frustration with the wild moves in some commodities, but we can’t ask for state controlled inputs without state controlled outputs?

C B

I didn't say Government owned, I said protected, in the same way that the railways and the banks have been. I do believe the utilities should be in public ownership anything else should stand on its own but with help if required.

 

[crazy_bull]

I didn't say Government owned, I said protected, in the same way that the railways and the banks have been. I do believe the utilities should be in public ownership anything else should stand on its own but with help if required.

I get what your saying, I do, however that is still government control, which ever way it’s dressed up……

 

[Renaultman]

I get what your saying, I do, however that is still government control, which ever way it’s dressed up……

Not so much government control as log term vision rather than the status quo. Farming rather than accountancy.

 

[crazy_bull]

Not so much government control as log term vision rather than the status quo. Farming rather than accountancy.

so the long term vision is that all food is sold at just over cost (insert joke about last 20years) the government then take control of the tertiary produce (that is consumed by the masses, because a few wanted the primary ‘protected’)

is a slippery slope.

C B

 

[Renaultman]

so the long term vision is that all food is sold at just over cost (insert joke about last 20years) the government then take control of the tertiary produce (that is consumed by the masses, because a few wanted the primary ‘protected’)

is a slippery slope.

C B

Too complicated for this time of night but I think we're headed that way anyway, just take the (manufactured) lorry drivers shortage, there has been a shortage of decent drivers for years, hence why I sold out in 2006, the latest crisis though has led to the government relaxing cabotage rules allowing foreign hauliers to do more internal loads whilst in the UK.
The government can control what they want, one way or another.

 

[Mouser]

Well I would predict a flour shortage
It takes extra Nitrogen to make milling grade wheat and as many farmers don’t have enough N fert to go round they will be looking at cutting back N application

a crop will grow without much N, but it won’t be milling grade

no milling wheat = no flour

Pretty sure bread has been around longer than bagged N.

 

[Adeptandy]

Prices go up and down in all commodities it's
basically a gamble but sometimes events
can move the market against previous rational thinking.
I agree that communication was very poor over a period
of time between the manufacturers and the distributors.

Pretty sure bread has been around longer than bagged N.

Yes, but not to the spec for the baking plants need to churn it out to current standards

 

[Chrisw]

Pretty sure bread has been around longer than bagged N.

I'm sure it has, but not to the standards and quality that the miller's now demand for today's bread .

 

[Mouser]

Then it's a standards problem, not a no flour problem. Theres a saying, half a loaf's better than ney bread!

 

[Full of bull(s)]

Yes, but not to the spec for the baking plants need to churn it out to current standards

Judging by most bread churned out from the big bakeries a change of spec back down can only help its foul

 

[Denim92]

Idk if it will be interesting ,but here are some prices from Balkan.They fluctuate allot from time to time,depend what quantity u buy and from who.
6-12-24 580-650 eur/t
16-16-16 590-620 eur/t
12-52 Map 800-850 eur/t
6-24-12 640-700 eur/t
Urea 46% 900-960 eur/t.
Some peoples bought large quantities of fertilizer when prices were low ,urea 46% for example for 350-400 eur/t ,and now they are selling them for more than double the price ......Farmers here also talk about planting more soybean and sunflower if prices of nitrogen fertilizers holds till next planting season.

 

[Planet Bee]

Following Chinese, Russian and Turkish government interventions to limit fertiliser exports, more alarmingly, Egypt has followed in protecting its domestic supply chain.

Triggered by a rise in the natural gas price, Egyptian Government advised that all exporters service first their domestic commitment before they'll get any necessary export documents.

Egypt is a top source for Granular Urea to the EU and UK markets. Whilst plenty of shipments have arrived over the past weeks, there is some jeopardy about the next wave. The UK needs ~300kt per cropping year; about 200kt has been committed so far. As I wrote previously, there's also a ~300kt AN equivalent shortfall to be made up after our friendly local AN producer decided to shutdown plants in September.

There are tonnes to be bought today. Not sure for how much longer.

 

[jendan]

Following Chinese, Russian and Turkish government interventions to limit fertiliser exports, more alarmingly, Egypt has followed in protecting its domestic supply chain.

Triggered by a rise in the natural gas price, Egyptian Government advised that all exporters service first their domestic commitment before they'll get any necessary export documents.

Egypt is a top source for Granular Urea to the EU and UK markets. Whilst plenty of shipments have arrived over the past weeks, there is some jeopardy about the next wave. The UK needs ~300kt per cropping year; about 200kt has been committed so far. As I wrote previously, there's also a ~300kt AN equivalent shortfall to be made up after our friendly local AN producer decided to shutdown plants in September.

There are tonnes to be bought today. Not sure for how much longer.

Buy it now at £740/ton......................before there is none left.

 

[Planet Bee]

Buy it now at £740/ton......................before there is none left.

Maybe?

I suppose it depends when you need it. I guess many growers bought plenty of domestic AN when it was sub £300; some of whom are still awaiting delivery (but that's another story). Presumably, they bought anticipating or realising that it represented good value.

at the end of the day, aren't we all better informed by sharing news. Some of it's not worth tomorrows chip paper; some of it's more useful.

No point to shoot the messenger...

 

[teslacoils]

So potentially 400k urea shortfall, assuming same levels of applied N as normal.....

.....and that's the UK which as we know is a tiny fish in a big sea.

 

[Planet Bee]

So potentially 400k urea shortfall, assuming same levels of applied N as normal.....

.....and that's the UK which as we know is a tiny fish in a big sea.

a lot will depend upon the likely demand destruction caused by high prices. I somehow doubt it'll be anywhere near the equivalent of 4-500kt of AN equivalent Nitrogen