Fertiliser Price Tracker

[Tarw Coch]

Guess who was sponsoring NFU conference………..

Perhaps it’s part of the not for profit malarkey, they hand over their spare cash to the NFU

I’m certainly not sure how this sponsorship is of benefit to RT members

 

[ajd132]

I too had discussions with NFU who were adamant that RT would have to act as inspectors to get any retention of more limited use of Urea.
RT is embedded in NFU and Governemnt thinking as the body that enforces compliance (the Policemen) That we have to pay for. The ultimate coercion on the cheap

It makes me so angry. Other countries are banning AN and we are banning urea. On known flawed science.
basis, AICC, the NFU all appear to be on board. I don’t understand what is going on.

 

[ajd132]

CF Fertilisers UK

www.cffertilisers.co.uk

 

[Chae1]

Personally I don't understand anyone buying CF fertiliser? I will never buy it ever again. They put the price up £200/t overnight by stopping production.

They then held the UK government to ransom ceasing C02 production. Received 10s of millions from the UK government to start producing fertiliser again and Co2. Then conveniently paid shareholders a huge dividend.

 

[Hindsight]

CF Fertilisers UK

www.cffertilisers.co.uk

You should know by now truly independent does not exist.

 

[bigw]

I too had discussions with NFU who were adamant that RT would have to act as inspectors to get any retention of more limited use of Urea.
RT is embedded in NFU and Governemnt thinking as the body that enforces compliance (the Policemen) That we have to pay for. The ultimate coercion on the cheap

RT have just tried to introduce a standard limiting urea to certain times of the year but all the unions have told them no so i believe its now shelved. RT is a load off rubbish.

 

[PSQ]

You couldn’t make it up could you…

This really is the kind of blatant evidence of market manipulation that the Monopoly and Mergers Commission should be grabbing with both hands and acting on…

… but they signed off both the Terra / Kemira Growhow joint venture and the subsequent sale to CF Industries, so they’re unlikely to do anything that would prove that they repeatedly made the wrong decision and aren’t fit for purpose.
Just another case of “nothing to see here, move along”.

 

[ajd132]

RT have just tried to introduce a standard limiting urea to certain times of the year but all the unions have told them no so i believe its now shelved. RT is a load off rubbish.

The unions were the ones pushing for this. I was told directly by Tom Bradshaw

 

[ajd132]

CF Fertilisers UK

www.cffertilisers.co.uk

Look at all this, all based on those old Adas experiments.

 

[A1baz]

How many times has selling the unharvested crop months ahead actually
been the best option?
I find most years they only want to pay a small price above the true cost of production taking into consideration average yield data.

There’s plenty of times selling forward would have been a better option, I’m just not very good at picking them!

I remember just after 2018 harvest, we could have sold what was in the shed at £200 for May. Didn’t and waited til May and it went for £150. Could have also flogged what hadn’t been drilled yet for the following November at just shy of £180. Didn’t and sold it at £140.

After that I tried to be clever and sell a few loads forward which resulted in me loading 1 load this November at £160

Hairy balls not crystal balls unfortunately.
PS quoted this on Friday on basis of 28.2T load
Granular 27N + 10So3 £608/tne
TSP 47% P £536/tne
M of P 60% K. £520/tne

 

[turbo]

Personally I don't understand anyone buying CF fertiliser? I will never buy it ever again. They put the price up £200/t overnight by stopping production.

They then held the UK government to ransom ceasing C02 production. Received 10s of millions from the UK government to start producing fertiliser again and Co2. Then conveniently paid shareholders a huge dividend.

One of the main concessions cf got of the government was that we would keep the eu anti dumping charge in the uk!

 

[An Gof]

RT have just tried to introduce a standard limiting urea to certain times of the year but all the unions have told them no so i believe its now shelved. RT is a load off rubbish.

No I don’t think it is shelved. It was part of the “offer” NFU made to Government in trying to lobby for a “forth way” which would see straight urea retained for more limited use. RT was to be the inspection scheme for it. The Urea decision has not yet been made, if limited use of Urea is retained expect it to be a RT standard to demonstrate compliance.
NFU keep offering RT up as the method to enforce many legislative changes. Livestock pathway ring a bell?

 

[bigw]

The unions were the ones pushing for this. I was told directly by Tom Bradshaw

Why have they all said no to it then?

 

[An Gof]

It makes me so angry. Other countries are banning AN and we are banning urea. On known flawed science.
basis, AICC, the NFU all appear to be on board. I don’t understand what is going on.

The important thing is that we don’t want to ban either. Both have their place when used properly. I choose to use BOTH urea and ammonium nitrate according to crop cicumstances, weather and other factors.
The really critical
Issue of having access to Urea is the competition it provides in the N market.
Without it we would be absolutely stuffed in what is a Market that is completely controlled by a VERY small number of players. Add on import duties applied by the politicians and we are being truly shafted.
True competition in the fertiliser market has been a big issue for all EU farming unions, the Irish IFA and French AGPB along with NFU have put a considerable effort into this on a European basis for a number of years.

 

[ajd132]

The important thing is that we don’t want to ban either. Both have their place when used properly. I choose to use BOTH urea and ammonium nitrate according to crop cicumstances, weather and other factors.
The really critical
Issue of having access to Urea is the competition it provides in the N market.
Without it we would be absolutely stuffed in what is a Market that is completely controlled by a VERY small number of players. Add on import duties applied by the politicians and we are being truly shafted.
True competition in the fertiliser market has been a big issue for all EU farming unions, the Irish IFA and French AGPB along with NFU have put a considerable effort into this on a European basis for a number of years.

Agree with all that.

 

[ajd132]

Why have they all said no to it then?

When did they say no? I haven’t heard anything.

 

[bigw]

Just this last week, certainly scottish, irish and welsh unions have. RT wanted to take it in without consultation.

 

[colhonk]

Even more reason to stop rt. asap.

 

[robbie]

So what would happen if the non farming union worked it so RT was the auditing body for the use of urea, would urea only be available to buy if your RT assured????

 

[czechmate]

So what would happen if the non farming union worked it so RT was the auditing body for the use of urea, would urea only be available to buy if your RT assured????

Is it available ?