Fertiliser Price Tracker

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
That’s a sliding scale of dose. If you have crops in the ground and no N bought, then it has to be worth applying 40kg and definitely not 240 kg. The clever bit it the line🤔.
I am in the first situation and if I received a quote today for £600 (say €700), then yes I would buy for 50 kg N for wheat and barley.
Not sure 50kg would cut it here , be dead by the end of May

N spend will be down to the wheat price imo ,

All N on the bank in October here , thanks to @silverfox telling me to engage arse or have a year off (y)
 

robbie

Member
BASIS
For those of you who are NIAB TAG members, have a look at their AN vs urea multi year trials ;)

CF neglected to mention anything about nitrate leaching or the fact that they are one of the world‘s biggest producers of urea and anhydrous ammonia…!
I can't find that anywhere, would you be able to sent me the trails code. All I can find is loads of stuff about alzon urea.
 

Planet Bee

Member
Trade
I don’t know what that is, can you explain?
a monopoly is where one producer dominates a market environment, without competition. In this case, the local market producer, having the biggest voice and influence, lobbying UK govt both directly and indirectly*, to apply legislation in their favour. For example, maintaining anti dumping duties on AN but dropping them on UAN. (Having their cake and eating it)

*indirect lobbying from the AIC where they are the largest member and also have the biggest voice.

Hope this helps.
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
a monopoly is where one producer dominates a market environment, without competition. In this case, the local market producer, having the biggest voice and influence, lobbying UK govt both directly and indirectly*, to apply legislation in their favour. For example, maintaining anti dumping duties on AN but dropping them on UAN. (Having their cake and eating it)

*indirect lobbying from the AIC where they are the largest member and also have the biggest voice.

Hope this helps.
Sorry I know what a monopoly is but I was wondering what the anti dumping thing was
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
I’ve never used urea before this year, so question I’m going to ask is urea applied at the same time as AN or does it need to be spread earlier?
I will start next week on osr and winter malting barley, then probably a small dose on wheat. It takes a few weeks longer to activate and I want to get something on everything before spring drilling kicks off. If I was still using AN I wouldn’t be going.
 

Planet Bee

Member
Trade
Sorry I know what a monopoly is but I was wondering what the anti dumping thing was
we pay duties on goods imported from various regions. In the fertiliser sector, the EU decided to apply additional duties on Russian AN and UAN to protect their local producers. They considered that it would be injurious to the industries affected that cheap Russian gas allowed an unfair advantage over the EU producers. Hardly free market economics!

Post Brexit, the UK government had an option to maintain, adjust or scrap the anti dumping duties.

I can only imagine that after lobbying, directly and indirectly from our friendly local domestic AN producer, the government elected to maintain the AN duty and scrap the UAN duty.

Wholly consistent with the interests of the big dog, who meantime, held out their begging bowl for +/- £20m UK govt support last September, to maintain CO2 production! Who also were absent from the domestic market for vast periods of time, limiting the choices further for the beleaguered UK farmer.

This will make a poor script for a movie...
 

Clive

Staff Member
NFFN Member
Location
Lichfield
Not long till the next opening season .That will be the interesting one unless
you've bought two years worth.

only a years worth bought but I did adjust my cropping to more ha of lower N using crops so maybe will have some to carry over

Next season is a concern, my willingness to buy N at these prices will be VERY dependant upon grain price at the time, if it doesn't look viable I will fallow the entire farm into CSS etc

Fert companies may think they can charge what they want but ONLY if farmers are stupid enough to farm in a situation of certain loss
 
only a years worth bought but I did adjust my cropping to more ha of lower N using crops so maybe will have some to carry over

Next season is a concern, my willingness to buy N at these prices will be VERY dependant upon grain price at the time, if it doesn't look viable I will fallow the entire farm into CSS etc

Fert companies may think they can charge what they want but ONLY if farmers are stupid enough to farm in a situation of certain loss
you make that sound simple but when you buy the fert you will have no certainty as to what the grain price will be at harvest or your yields, fallowing the farm might loose you more than the grain
 

Clive

Staff Member
NFFN Member
Location
Lichfield
you make that sound simple but when you buy the fert you will have no certainty as to what the grain price will be at harvest or your yields, fallowing the farm might loose you more than the grain

I could sell my entire harvest the day I buy my N so thats rubbish - I also know where my average / budget yields should be roughly

I wont sell forward however but that futures price does give me some idea

I'm certainly in no mood to gamble that the price needs to rise JUST to avoid a loss that's for sure, not when CSS etc could give me certainty re next years income with much lower risk
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Ab6 stubbles, now it's been confirmed you can broadcast a cover crop, puts a £200/AC floor in doing absolutely nothing. My CSS is for renewal for a Dec 22 start. Can't see peas, beans, oats really making that much. Wonder if it gets me any carbon credits too....
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
only a years worth bought but I did adjust my cropping to more ha of lower N using crops so maybe will have some to carry over

Next season is a concern, my willingness to buy N at these prices will be VERY dependant upon grain price at the time, if it doesn't look viable I will fallow the entire farm into CSS etc

Fert companies may think they can charge what they want but ONLY if farmers are stupid enough to farm in a situation of certain loss

But Clive CSS is a five year commitment to fallow?
 

Clive

Staff Member
NFFN Member
Location
Lichfield
But Clive CSS is a five year commitment to fallow?

needs ,must if it come too that and look the most viable route (not saying it will but IF I can't make at least the same return growing food then it IS an option)

I'm here to run a business, pay my bills and support a family above all else and will do that in whatever looks the best way to do so - I don't care if all our food is imported, that's for the government to worry about not me
 

Clive

Staff Member
NFFN Member
Location
Lichfield
Ab6 stubbles, now it's been confirmed you can broadcast a cover crop, puts a £200/AC floor in doing absolutely nothing. My CSS is for renewal for a Dec 22 start. Can't see peas, beans, oats really making that much. Wonder if it gets me any carbon credits too....


is there a limit on how many acres you can have in that though ?
 

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