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Green oak

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teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
trader might; distributor doesn't have the option as they are the typically the receiver at destination

however, the trader would still have the contractual obligation to execute their contract if they diverted elsewhere. UK is the highest paying market today simply because the logistics bringing it here are the highest too. The port costs here are astronomical compared to our neighbouring countries. The netbacks to loading ports are rather similar.

there's a high level of certainty that if it's booked, it'll get shipped. Of course there are exceptions and especially for those parties knowingly importing sanctioned origins, Iran for example.

Caveat emptor.
So, as a guesstimate, how much of a load has to be sold before it leaves it's home port? I mean,if all these boats are en route, how much of it will still be "to sell"? At a guess.
 

Planet Bee

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How do they go on with the Fertiliser Industry Assurance Scheme if manufactured abroad?

Does it somehow get the FIAS badge.
The reputable traders and importers are FIAS accredited. There’s therefore a lot of traceability built into the process.

Not to say the system always works. We see some imports from sanctioned entities, Iran for example via Ghent, that have clearly circumvented the process. It was disguised as Omani during the initial shipment from Iran.

Always worth asking where it comes from, I suppose?
 

Grass And Grain

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Yorks
The reputable traders and importers are FIAS accredited. There’s therefore a lot of traceability built into the process.

Not to say the system always works. We see some imports from sanctioned entities, Iran for example via Ghent, that have clearly circumvented the process. It was disguised as Omani during the initial shipment from Iran.

Always worth asking where it comes from, I suppose?
Are the manufacturers themselves FIAS equivalent, or just the traders/shippers?

Edit. I ask because think for farm assurance, it's supposed to be FIAS?
 

Planet Bee

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Are the manufacturers themselves FIAS equivalent, or just the traders/shippers?

Edit. I ask because think for farm assurance, it's supposed to be FIAS?
the reputable traders / importers are FIAS accredited

they ensure the material they import is of assured quality with rigorous inspections and certificates of analysis from independent inspection companies and laboratories. The producers would not naturally be FIAS accredited, per se.
 

Planet Bee

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Would industrial gas rationing in Germany have an impact on fert production, or more likely on chemical production?
from what I heard, yes. The two major producers BASF and SKW announced curtailment of NH3 production due to the situation. When Germany goes to "stage 3", then it gets serious.
 

Planet Bee

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Its looking likely to be a when rather than an if.

Presumably that would be force majeure.
FM is a complex issue

if you bought "open origin" then your counterparty would find it difficult to claim an FM situation as there'd be likely other sources for the commodity

let's say you'd specifically bought SKW Urea. They declared FM and their contract parties would do the same. If you'd bought "open origin", your counter party, even though they may have bought SKW, still have an obligation to deliver "open origin Urea"

***not saying that SKW will or may call FM by the way; just using it as an example***

having said that, the local supply situation across the continent of Europe is under threat due to the gas situation which doesn't look likely to improve in short time. Most producers, especially high gas consuming fertiliser plants, are all curtailing production or raising prices
 

teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
FM is a complex issue

if you bought "open origin" then your counterparty would find it difficult to claim an FM situation as there'd be likely other sources for the commodity

let's say you'd specifically bought SKW Urea. They declared FM and their contract parties would do the same. If you'd bought "open origin", your counter party, even though they may have bought SKW, still have an obligation to deliver "open origin Urea"

***not saying that SKW will or may call FM by the way; just using it as an example***

having said that, the local supply situation across the continent of Europe is under threat due to the gas situation which doesn't look likely to improve in short time. Most producers, especially high gas consuming fertiliser plants, are all curtailing production or raising prices
Yes, we should caveat that's this is a hypothetical situation. But if we're say a German fert producer and had restricted output, I'd be supplying my domestic customers in full first.

It's interesting times.
 

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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