Fertiliser Price Tracker

[Eartha Kitt]

So by your very admission the N price is higher than it needs to be because wheat is a good price...... That's my point exactly!!!!

There are a lot of very good people and businesses but the good old farmer is at the bottom of the pile and they all want to extract all they can and leave the farmer with just enough to survive.

You say about about CF and how hard they work keeping two plants going ect but what about the arsehole way they go about pricing there product, issue a price and then suddenly at 5 past the hour pull the price because the wind has changed direction.

It's a market. It's where it is because of supply and demand.. and you need to think beyond the UK. UK = circa 1% of global demand.

 

[Chuckie]

It's a market. It's where it is because of supply and demand.. and you need to think beyond the UK. UK = circa 1% of global demand.

oh I thought it was big business just charging what they think they can get away with?

Does any uk made fert go for export ?

 

[Eartha Kitt]

Yes, I believe so.

 

[Still Farming]

What's upto date fert prices?
34.5%N
20,5,5
20,10,10
TSP
Mucrate of Potash

 

[lloyd]

Had a price on 26n35s £263 half load ??..

Bought most of my requirement early on but
this half load or similar short .

 

[hally]

15ton 33.5N yara. £270 today

 

[crazy_bull]

So by your very admission the N price is higher than it needs to be because wheat is a good price...... That's my point exactly!!!!

Higher global grain price means demand for fertiliser increases globally, as the economic return curve lifts, so more marginal areas push their crops harder, not every where is constrained by NVZ's like we are.


People make a point about being told of pulling prices, but how else would you prefer it done? Global price picks up, would you prefer notice of an increase, or just an increase?

If the grain price goes up or down do you expect buyers to stand on an out of date price?

The writing has been on the wall with regards higher N and P prices since last summer, less booked post Christmas, for import due to uncertainty, less produced globally due to shut downs (esp Chinese urea) more required globally due to better grain prices, luckily everyone had a chance to buy at low prices, if you did that puts you at an economic advantage to those who haven't, its all a business decision at the end of the day. Blaming global traders for your own poor decision making (not aimed at you or anyone in particular I hasten to note) is not going to help anyone resolve the situation, learn to read the signs and markets and act accordingly to maximise your profitability.

Grain prices lift by £7.50 over a month people barely comment, fert rises by £50 and the world ends, however both have a similar impact on a grain growers gross margin?

C B

 

[redsloe]

Grain prices lift by £7.50 over a month people barely comment, fert rises by £50 and the world ends, however both have a similar impact on a grain growers gross margin?

I think the point being made is that if grain prices didn't rise by £7.50 then fert may not have risen by 50. Obviously the farmer isn't allowed to benefit from a bigger margin even though crops were poorer last year and to get a harvest this year everyone needs to buy some at some point.

Of course, time is running out for delivery and that lies completely at the farmers feet.

 

[crazy_bull]

I think the point being made is that if grain prices didn't rise by £7.50 then fert may not have risen by 50. Obviously the farmer isn't allowed to benefit from a bigger margin even though crops were poorer last year and to get a harvest this year everyone needs to buy some at some point.

Of course, time is running out for delivery and that lies completely at the farmers feet.

Grain globally has lifted approx £50-60/t since last year,

Edit:

There was about a month this year where 1t of grain brought 1t of AN, a very rare event, and even then was told countless times it was too dear vs where it 'should' be, what ever that means..... then it went up rapidly.

 

[redsloe]

Some years it can take 2 ton of wheat to buy 1 ton of N. Anybody with N and wheat on farm should expect a 1:1 ratio for a change.
It doesn't happen often.

Grain globally has lifted approx £50-60/t since last year,

Edit:

There was about a month this year where 1t of grain brought 1t of AN, a very rare event, and even then was told countless times it was too dear vs where it 'should' be, what ever that means..... then it went up rapidly.

Quite true.
On the 15th at Jan it was anyway.

 

[Eartha Kitt]

TY CB. Saved me a job there

 

[e3120]

Grain globally has lifted approx £50-60/t since last year,

Edit:

There was about a month this year where 1t of grain brought 1t of AN, a very rare event, and even then was told countless times it was too dear vs where it 'should' be, what ever that means..... then it went up rapidly.

I'll just mention again that not all nitrogen is bought to produce grain.

 

[robbie]

Bought a top up of 15 tons lithan today for £262, polish was 2 quid less and blue bag 270.

 

[crazy_bull]

I'll just mention again that not all nitrogen is bought to produce grain.

Agreed, however the majority of the worlds consumtion will be, and this is in the cropping section, but yes even from a forage perspective it pays to monitor what is going on in the other sectors.

C B

 

[crazy_bull]

Bought a top up of 15 tons lithan today for £262, polish was 2 quid less and blue bag 270.

I do hope that imported stuff is produced using the same high standards, following the same labour laws and environmental constraints as our own domestic production. Else we ought to revolt......



Said tongue firmly in cheek!

C B

 

[Renaultman]

Yes, I believe so.

Yes fair bit goes out of Teeside

 

[Wombat]

Well the stuff i ordered 3 weeks ago arrived this morning

 

[CORK]

Investors set for commodities ‘bull run’ as prices rise in tandem

Broad-based recent gains have not been seen in decades and spur talk of ‘supercycle’

www.ft.com

 

[livestock 1]

 

[Spencer]

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