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AndrewM

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BASIS
Location
Devon
At what price do you think it is uneconomic on grassland? Normal permanent grass, not new leys?
guess this entirey depends on what you are doing with the grass, whether you can reduce stocking levels, and what your forage stores are like.

graze store cattle here, havent bought any grassland fert yet. got too much silage atm anyway. will make less silage next year to reduce surplus. will buy some fert in the spring if price drops. if it doesnt will sell some store cattle a bit earlier in the summer to reduce my demand, or top up requirements with silage at pasture.

lots of hay about? is it cheaper to buy hay now than fert?

much harder to do on a spring block calving dairy.
 

e3120

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Trying to do the grass/crop sums. Some big estimates.

Using average of 2020 and 2021 N prices, with a hunch of 2022 new season, I'm working on £350 AN and £450 Urea.

I reckon 2021 winter barley has cost £17/t in N, WW £18/t. Grass silage £3/t and growing cattle 10p/kg LWG.

80% of the grass is young leys and part of the cereal rotation. Because of this and all the muck/slurry being returned, there is significant cross-enterprise nitrogen flow.

My first reaction is to continue to feed the addiction, maybe not pushing the last 10%. Thoughts?
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
You won't need 210kgN/Ha for an 8t/ha crop? Would of thought 180kgN would get u there? £25 acre less spend
It depends on soil type, excess winter rainfall and previous manure usage. On free draining Dorset chalk, I needed 220 kg/ha for 9 t/ha wheat at 11% protein. On Yorkshire clay, I’d need less than that.
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
That’s an awful lot of folk then. Spoke to one fellow yesterday who has bought at sub £300 ,it’s not on farm yet. Will he be supplied?
ive had some come what i bought for £460 a few weeks ago 38 0 0 19 UAS and the rest is imminent but it was already in the country. The rest we took delivery in june. if stuff isnt in the country i would be very worried.
 

Old apprentice

Member
Arable Farmer
The shippers/ merchants are gonna be very wary of landing to much expensive fert, it’s ok landing cheap fert that might go up, but expensive that will go down, you’re not gonna do that unless your a fool and I’m sure they are not.

That is the similar story my fert rep said weary of bringing boat loads of expensive fert in .
 
Trying to do the grass/crop sums. Some big estimates.

Using average of 2020 and 2021 N prices, with a hunch of 2022 new season, I'm working on £350 AN and £450 Urea.

I reckon 2021 winter barley has cost £17/t in N, WW £18/t. Grass silage £3/t and growing cattle 10p/kg LWG.

80% of the grass is young leys and part of the cereal rotation. Because of this and all the muck/slurry being returned, there is significant cross-enterprise nitrogen flow.

My first reaction is to continue to feed the addiction, maybe not pushing the last 10%. Thoughts?
how much N are you putting on SB if its after grass?
 

thorpe

Member
That’s an awful lot of folk then. Spoke to one fellow yesterday who has bought at sub £300 ,it’s not on farm yet. Will he be supplied?
got june bought @ £256 delivered last week payed the bill today. small merchant getting very worried about amount of money outstanding 2 loads to come they have asked if i can pay in 14 days i told them cheque in the post when we get the invoice. and ill just be glad to have it in the shed!
 
Trying to do the grass/crop sums. Some big estimates.

Using average of 2020 and 2021 N prices, with a hunch of 2022 new season, I'm working on £350 AN and £450 Urea.

I reckon 2021 winter barley has cost £17/t in N, WW £18/t. Grass silage £3/t and growing cattle 10p/kg LWG.

80% of the grass is young leys and part of the cereal rotation. Because of this and all the muck/slurry being returned, there is significant cross-enterprise nitrogen flow.

My first reaction is to continue to feed the addiction, maybe not pushing the last 10%. Thoughts?
Only thinking quickly

youre talking about £1/kg N

so 150 kg/ha for 8t wb

180 for 10t ww

75 for 25t grass yield

thats reasonable in a mixed enterprise, I might argue lean for high protein grass but there abouts

and to be fair I’d be with you in saying at £350 to do anything dramatic will cost more than just getting bummed for the fert, the big question is, what’s the price and availability? This thread would be 20 pages shorter if fdry was £350 and readily available, when you look at those numbers at 50% or more higher fert prices it’s a bit scary
 

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