Fertiliser Price Tracker

Pebd99

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Location
Aberdeenshire
what on earth is anyone who hasnt bought fert going to do?
pay £650 for AN. 200kg/haN = £376/ha (or 2 t/ha wheat£) on a 7, 8 or 9 t/ha crop is ridiculous
almost better to not put any on, would it yield 4, 5 or 6 t/Ha?
Booked fibrophos for p and k then got digestate for n. Mainly spring barley but a load of 27n 9s did turn up today for the osr. Chicken muck will be priced up as well. Even paying for the spreading and a bit for the digestate was a good bit cheaper than bagged currently.
 

teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
l think all that all these silly prices, are going to end up with 2 answers, the first will lead to less product produced, which will force prices up, great for farmers, not so great for the public.
And secondly a massive surge to see the alternatives, which are basically legumes and shite, and probably proper rotations. Which will obviously please the zealots, but with lower product, prices will rise, and that, will not please either the public, nor the guv.
I do not think fert is going to be much cheaper, after this crisis, there are simply to many people, both in the public and guv, that want use to drop, as an excuse, to keep control, by price.

While it may make good BBc / Wail On Sunday fodder, rising prices for the base commodities UK growers produce have good as zero impact on the UK consumer. Factor back 5p on a loaf of bread to wheat prices - great for us and zero real impact for consumers. Compare to 5p on a soy latte, dearer avocados, etc. Adding 50 percent to the price of chicken or pork and it's still cheap meat to those who merrily get their kids new iPhones for christmas. Get some perspective. Food is cheap. If food at the till goes up 50 percent it will still be cheap. Yes, food banks blah blah blah but most will, at worst, just have to do with two holidays to the Carribbean etc.

With respect, f**k the govt and the public. Nothing I do now directly obligates me to make cheap food for them. At today's prices we're better off without their "subsidy" so sod them. They want imported Chinese white goods, fancy holidays, Primark fashion and ihpones. My heart in no way bleeds for them. They won't turn up with flaming brands demanding my wheat and if they did I'd remind them of the basis of English contract law and request that the police politely asked them to "go down the road, turn left and f**k off".

Public and govt have been whining about us for ages. Let's see what a low input, low carbon, low output, zero govt carrots and sticks system looks like.

Tldr we have no obligation to feed the British public. We do have an obligation to maximise our own businesses based on the signals of govt and consumer - less carbon, less fert, etc. More profit.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
well said, we have eased right back with our farm, aiming for more self suffiency, and less reliance on expensive imputs, and l totally agree, we are not obliged to feed the ########### public, and in fairness, if we were all to produce less, the prices would rise. There will always be farmers, who think they know best, and they are the ones guv loves, they just keep on producing the biggest crops they can.
However there are plants out there, that can produce 'free' N, and build soil fertility, and those roads need to be looked at, after all, they are what the public think they want.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I'd rather sell small bales of hay to a handful of spoilt nags, than grow milling wheat at a loss so Mr Tesco can use it for a price war advertising campaign.

Public wants UK grown, sustainable, regenerative, low carbon, insert buzzword here food? They can just bloody pay for it can't they?

There will soon be a list of countries getting govt support for fert bills. Ffs there's a list of UK companies getting govt support due to energy prices which includes a fert maker! If I'm not on the list getting a handout, then quite frankly they can go to hell. Decoupled bps to wean us off the govt teat.....well that's coming home to roost.

Here's an idea. I'll grow another 75ac of food - on mid tier land. They can claim force majeure cos of the rioting hungry masses; pay me the mid tier money anyway; while I'm at it I'll have my bps upfront; and in return I'll plant 75ac of spring barley with my own money and sell it to the state at £5/t under the world price. Not a ton leaves the farm without cleared funds in my bank. No backsies.
 
I'd rather sell small bales of hay to a handful of spoilt nags, than grow milling wheat at a loss so Mr Tesco can use it for a price war advertising campaign.

Public wants UK grown, sustainable, regenerative, low carbon, insert buzzword here food? They can just bloody pay for it can't they?

There will soon be a list of countries getting govt support for fert bills. Ffs there's a list of UK companies getting govt support due to energy prices which includes a fert maker! If I'm not on the list getting a handout, then quite frankly they can go to hell. Decoupled bps to wean us off the govt teat.....well that's coming home to roost.

Here's an idea. I'll grow another 75ac of food - on mid tier land. They can claim force majeure cos of the rioting hungry masses; pay me the mid tier money anyway; while I'm at it I'll have my bps upfront; and in return I'll plant 75ac of spring barley with my own money and sell it to the state at £5/t under the world price. Not a ton leaves the farm without cleared funds in my bank. No backsies.
By the time folk are rioting from lack of food, it will be 12 months or better part of too late to ask you to do anything about it.
 

Renaultman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
While it may make good BBc / Wail On Sunday fodder, rising prices for the base commodities UK growers produce have good as zero impact on the UK consumer. Factor back 5p on a loaf of bread to wheat prices - great for us and zero real impact for consumers. Compare to 5p on a soy latte, dearer avocados, etc. Adding 50 percent to the price of chicken or pork and it's still cheap meat to those who merrily get their kids new iPhones for christmas. Get some perspective. Food is cheap. If food at the till goes up 50 percent it will still be cheap. Yes, food banks blah blah blah but most will, at worst, just have to do with two holidays to the Carribbean etc.

With respect, f**k the govt and the public. Nothing I do now directly obligates me to make cheap food for them. At today's prices we're better off without their "subsidy" so sod them. They want imported Chinese white goods, fancy holidays, Primark fashion and ihpones. My heart in no way bleeds for them. They won't turn up with flaming brands demanding my wheat and if they did I'd remind them of the basis of English contract law and request that the police politely asked them to "go down the road, turn left and f**k off".

Public and govt have been whining about us for ages. Let's see what a low input, low carbon, low output, zero govt carrots and sticks system looks like.

Tldr we have no obligation to feed the British public. We do have an obligation to maximise our own businesses based on the signals of govt and consumer - less carbon, less fert, etc. More profit.
Well said 👍
 
While it may make good BBc / Wail On Sunday fodder, rising prices for the base commodities UK growers produce have good as zero impact on the UK consumer. Factor back 5p on a loaf of bread to wheat prices - great for us and zero real impact for consumers. Compare to 5p on a soy latte, dearer avocados, etc. Adding 50 percent to the price of chicken or pork and it's still cheap meat to those who merrily get their kids new iPhones for christmas. Get some perspective. Food is cheap. If food at the till goes up 50 percent it will still be cheap. Yes, food banks blah blah blah but most will, at worst, just have to do with two holidays to the Carribbean etc.

With respect, f**k the govt and the public. Nothing I do now directly obligates me to make cheap food for them. At today's prices we're better off without their "subsidy" so sod them. They want imported Chinese white goods, fancy holidays, Primark fashion and ihpones. My heart in no way bleeds for them. They won't turn up with flaming brands demanding my wheat and if they did I'd remind them of the basis of English contract law and request that the police politely asked them to "go down the road, turn left and f**k off".

Public and govt have been whining about us for ages. Let's see what a low input, low carbon, low output, zero govt carrots and sticks system looks like.

Tldr we have no obligation to feed the British public. We do have an obligation to maximise our own businesses based on the signals of govt and consumer - less carbon, less fert, etc. More profit.

Totally agree.

BUT you are a Quaker??????
 

Sandy

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Location
Aberdeenshire
Booked fibrophos for p and k then got digestate for n. Mainly spring barley but a load of 27n 9s did turn up today for the osr. Chicken muck will be priced up as well. Even paying for the spreading and a bit for the digestate was a good bit cheaper than bagged currently.
Is that for feed or malting barley?
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Definatley interesting times.... First time in my life that I have heard processor's saying food is too cheap., 3 sisters being one.

And actually the best way to reduce climate impact is make it expensive then the throw away culture will automatically reduce.

The CEO of Heinz was interviewed a week ago on BBC World Service. He said world food prices would rise. And yes Ranjit said said same last week. So the situation is that the corporate processors who actually produce the food we buy are now in discussions with the CEO's of the multiple retailers. The broader inflationary pressures throughout the world will be passed on in higher prices. The additional cash generated will be picked over by the supply chain with a proportion passed back to the commodity producer at the bottom, although that amount will be driven by supply and demand.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Definatley interesting times.... First time in my life that I have heard processor's saying food is too cheap., 3 sisters being one.

And actually the best way to reduce climate impact is make it expensive then the throw away culture will automatically reduce.

I think Willy Ranjit was talking not only of the raw material for his chicken based products (the raw material being chicken) but the additional costs his business faces in labour, packaging, energy etc, etc, So while I understand your sentiment the Gist of 2 sisters comment was related not necessarily to the price of food per se but the overall cost of producing the products and general inflationary pressures - which are outside the BofE 2% guideline and more like 5-10% in the real economy. Interesting times.
 

DeeGee

Member
Location
North East Wales
While it may make good BBc / Wail On Sunday fodder, rising prices for the base commodities UK growers produce have good as zero impact on the UK consumer. Factor back 5p on a loaf of bread to wheat prices - great for us and zero real impact for consumers. Compare to 5p on a soy latte, dearer avocados, etc. Adding 50 percent to the price of chicken or pork and it's still cheap meat to those who merrily get their kids new iPhones for christmas. Get some perspective. Food is cheap. If food at the till goes up 50 percent it will still be cheap. Yes, food banks blah blah blah but most will, at worst, just have to do with two holidays to the Carribbean etc.

With respect, f**k the govt and the public. Nothing I do now directly obligates me to make cheap food for them. At today's prices we're better off without their "subsidy" so sod them. They want imported Chinese white goods, fancy holidays, Primark fashion and ihpones. My heart in no way bleeds for them. They won't turn up with flaming brands demanding my wheat and if they did I'd remind them of the basis of English contract law and request that the police politely asked them to "go down the road, turn left and f**k off".

Public and govt have been whining about us for ages. Let's see what a low input, low carbon, low output, zero govt carrots and sticks system looks like.

Tldr we have no obligation to feed the British public. We do have an obligation to maximise our own businesses based on the signals of govt and consumer - less carbon, less fert, etc. More profit.
Brilliant post! Sums up exactly I would guess, what many of us feel.

Like most of us I would willingly help someone in genuine need, but why the hell should we go on subsidising consumerism and the supermarkets, while being bled dry by parasites such as the box tickers from Red Tractor or whatever assurance scheme gravy train they are riding on with their clipboards and black books.
 

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