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Same here, no alarms an no surprises.Yes I would say my yields where average at best this year
Same here, no alarms an no surprises.Yes I would say my yields where average at best this year
Yes. Same products and delivery date ordered through Frontier. I’m told they ‘should’ honour it but will believe it when it’s deliveredStill waiting on june ordered for sep delivery of nitram and double top , anybody else still waiting?
Booked fibrophos for p and k then got digestate for n. Mainly spring barley but a load of 27n 9s did turn up today for the osr. Chicken muck will be priced up as well. Even paying for the spreading and a bit for the digestate was a good bit cheaper than bagged currently.what on earth is anyone who hasnt bought fert going to do?
pay £650 for AN. 200kg/haN = £376/ha (or 2 t/ha wheat£) on a 7, 8 or 9 t/ha crop is ridiculous
almost better to not put any on, would it yield 4, 5 or 6 t/Ha?
l think all that all these silly prices, are going to end up with 2 answers, the first will lead to less product produced, which will force prices up, great for farmers, not so great for the public.
And secondly a massive surge to see the alternatives, which are basically legumes and shite, and probably proper rotations. Which will obviously please the zealots, but with lower product, prices will rise, and that, will not please either the public, nor the guv.
I do not think fert is going to be much cheaper, after this crisis, there are simply to many people, both in the public and guv, that want use to drop, as an excuse, to keep control, by price.
By the time folk are rioting from lack of food, it will be 12 months or better part of too late to ask you to do anything about it.I'd rather sell small bales of hay to a handful of spoilt nags, than grow milling wheat at a loss so Mr Tesco can use it for a price war advertising campaign.
Public wants UK grown, sustainable, regenerative, low carbon, insert buzzword here food? They can just bloody pay for it can't they?
There will soon be a list of countries getting govt support for fert bills. Ffs there's a list of UK companies getting govt support due to energy prices which includes a fert maker! If I'm not on the list getting a handout, then quite frankly they can go to hell. Decoupled bps to wean us off the govt teat.....well that's coming home to roost.
Here's an idea. I'll grow another 75ac of food - on mid tier land. They can claim force majeure cos of the rioting hungry masses; pay me the mid tier money anyway; while I'm at it I'll have my bps upfront; and in return I'll plant 75ac of spring barley with my own money and sell it to the state at £5/t under the world price. Not a ton leaves the farm without cleared funds in my bank. No backsies.
Well saidWhile it may make good BBc / Wail On Sunday fodder, rising prices for the base commodities UK growers produce have good as zero impact on the UK consumer. Factor back 5p on a loaf of bread to wheat prices - great for us and zero real impact for consumers. Compare to 5p on a soy latte, dearer avocados, etc. Adding 50 percent to the price of chicken or pork and it's still cheap meat to those who merrily get their kids new iPhones for christmas. Get some perspective. Food is cheap. If food at the till goes up 50 percent it will still be cheap. Yes, food banks blah blah blah but most will, at worst, just have to do with two holidays to the Carribbean etc.
With respect, f**k the govt and the public. Nothing I do now directly obligates me to make cheap food for them. At today's prices we're better off without their "subsidy" so sod them. They want imported Chinese white goods, fancy holidays, Primark fashion and ihpones. My heart in no way bleeds for them. They won't turn up with flaming brands demanding my wheat and if they did I'd remind them of the basis of English contract law and request that the police politely asked them to "go down the road, turn left and f**k off".
Public and govt have been whining about us for ages. Let's see what a low input, low carbon, low output, zero govt carrots and sticks system looks like.
Tldr we have no obligation to feed the British public. We do have an obligation to maximise our own businesses based on the signals of govt and consumer - less carbon, less fert, etc. More profit.
Get on the blower PDQ.Still waiting on june ordered for sep delivery of nitram and double top , anybody else still waiting?
While it may make good BBc / Wail On Sunday fodder, rising prices for the base commodities UK growers produce have good as zero impact on the UK consumer. Factor back 5p on a loaf of bread to wheat prices - great for us and zero real impact for consumers. Compare to 5p on a soy latte, dearer avocados, etc. Adding 50 percent to the price of chicken or pork and it's still cheap meat to those who merrily get their kids new iPhones for christmas. Get some perspective. Food is cheap. If food at the till goes up 50 percent it will still be cheap. Yes, food banks blah blah blah but most will, at worst, just have to do with two holidays to the Carribbean etc.
With respect, f**k the govt and the public. Nothing I do now directly obligates me to make cheap food for them. At today's prices we're better off without their "subsidy" so sod them. They want imported Chinese white goods, fancy holidays, Primark fashion and ihpones. My heart in no way bleeds for them. They won't turn up with flaming brands demanding my wheat and if they did I'd remind them of the basis of English contract law and request that the police politely asked them to "go down the road, turn left and f**k off".
Public and govt have been whining about us for ages. Let's see what a low input, low carbon, low output, zero govt carrots and sticks system looks like.
Tldr we have no obligation to feed the British public. We do have an obligation to maximise our own businesses based on the signals of govt and consumer - less carbon, less fert, etc. More profit.
Is that for feed or malting barley?Booked fibrophos for p and k then got digestate for n. Mainly spring barley but a load of 27n 9s did turn up today for the osr. Chicken muck will be priced up as well. Even paying for the spreading and a bit for the digestate was a good bit cheaper than bagged currently.
Totally agree.
BUT you are a Quaker??????
Definatley interesting times.... First time in my life that I have heard processor's saying food is too cheap., 3 sisters being one.
And actually the best way to reduce climate impact is make it expensive then the throw away culture will automatically reduce.
Definatley interesting times.... First time in my life that I have heard processor's saying food is too cheap., 3 sisters being one.
And actually the best way to reduce climate impact is make it expensive then the throw away culture will automatically reduce.
Brilliant post! Sums up exactly I would guess, what many of us feel.While it may make good BBc / Wail On Sunday fodder, rising prices for the base commodities UK growers produce have good as zero impact on the UK consumer. Factor back 5p on a loaf of bread to wheat prices - great for us and zero real impact for consumers. Compare to 5p on a soy latte, dearer avocados, etc. Adding 50 percent to the price of chicken or pork and it's still cheap meat to those who merrily get their kids new iPhones for christmas. Get some perspective. Food is cheap. If food at the till goes up 50 percent it will still be cheap. Yes, food banks blah blah blah but most will, at worst, just have to do with two holidays to the Carribbean etc.
With respect, f**k the govt and the public. Nothing I do now directly obligates me to make cheap food for them. At today's prices we're better off without their "subsidy" so sod them. They want imported Chinese white goods, fancy holidays, Primark fashion and ihpones. My heart in no way bleeds for them. They won't turn up with flaming brands demanding my wheat and if they did I'd remind them of the basis of English contract law and request that the police politely asked them to "go down the road, turn left and f**k off".
Public and govt have been whining about us for ages. Let's see what a low input, low carbon, low output, zero govt carrots and sticks system looks like.
Tldr we have no obligation to feed the British public. We do have an obligation to maximise our own businesses based on the signals of govt and consumer - less carbon, less fert, etc. More profit.
Could be either. Fed up with the malting job so might just push it for more feed.Is that for feed or malting barley?