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<blockquote data-quote="egbert" data-source="post: 7937899" data-attributes="member: 9965"><p>Did they?</p><p>(IE US start the civil war?)</p><p>I watched fairly carefully- having pals out east- and what I never heard was who had started shooting demonstrators the day after the Russian winter Olympics finished.</p><p>That was the kick off wasn't it? </p><p>It appeared to me that the start button was pressed from the East there.</p><p></p><p>The smooth and rapid seizing of Crimea certainly suggests plans were already laid.... </p><p></p><p>As it unfolded, Putin was telling his country that the West was already IN Ukraine.</p><p>We scoffed when Russian chums told us this.....right up until some Western 'military advisers' were picked up.</p><p></p><p>The only thing I am sure of is that it is clearly a lot more complicated than we can easily see from here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="egbert, post: 7937899, member: 9965"] Did they? (IE US start the civil war?) I watched fairly carefully- having pals out east- and what I never heard was who had started shooting demonstrators the day after the Russian winter Olympics finished. That was the kick off wasn't it? It appeared to me that the start button was pressed from the East there. The smooth and rapid seizing of Crimea certainly suggests plans were already laid.... As it unfolded, Putin was telling his country that the West was already IN Ukraine. We scoffed when Russian chums told us this.....right up until some Western 'military advisers' were picked up. The only thing I am sure of is that it is clearly a lot more complicated than we can easily see from here. [/QUOTE]
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