Fertiliser rates

What are rates and what products are people applying?

On new platform, my neighbour has had cows for as long as...and is consistently growing more grass than i am, 40 years of arable has taken its toll.

So after a discussion with agronomist and a few influenctual farming peers, my question is, in perfect conditions, warmth and rain, how hard can i push the grazing block? 2.5 units of n/day?

Worth noting that the home platform, this isnt an issue due to few more years of slurry and FYM.

Ph, P & K are all correct.
 

An Gof

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Location
Cornwall
What are rates and what products are people applying?

On new platform, my neighbour has had cows for as long as...and is consistently growing more grass than i am, 40 years of arable has taken its toll.

So after a discussion with agronomist and a few influenctual farming peers, my question is, in perfect conditions, warmth and rain, how hard can i push the grazing block? 2.5 units of n/day?

Worth noting that the home platform, this isnt an issue due to few more years of slurry and FYM.

Ph, P & K are all correct.

Standard figures always used to be two units per day. In your part of Cornwall rain might be the limiting factor to increasing that.
Could be some interesting info from past work at Liscombe or North Wyke (now part of Rothamstead)
Failing that a call to Nigel Hester at Yara might be helpful.
 
I think I showed you a crap photo of one of my ex arable fields that had missed one round on urea. It was literally growing nothing and looked burnt off.

A budget of an extra 100 units through the season wouldn't be far amis when comparing it to ground that's been pasture for years.
You look like you grow plenty of grass by your pictures
Take a picture over the hedge.
 
Standard figures always used to be two units per day. In your part of Cornwall rain might be the limiting factor to increasing that.
Could be some interesting info from past work at Liscombe or North Wyke (now part of Rothamstead)
Failing that a call to Nigel Hester at Yara might be helpful.
Got to be smart and reactive with the weather, looking at the week aheads weather, no drought for a while
 
Standard figures always used to be two units per day. In your part of Cornwall rain might be the limiting factor to increasing that.
Could be some interesting info from past work at Liscombe or North Wyke (now part of Rothamstead)
Failing that a call to Nigel Hester at Yara might be helpful.
Big bill hill would be happy this time of year with day length and heat combined with sufficent water, 3.5 units a day
 

Rossymons

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Location
Cornwall
I'd say @Cows 'n grass is spot on.

We've taken on arable ground in the past and even though we improved the indexes and got them close the ground was always underperforming on our "normal" rate.

With decent indexes and most importantly the right pH uptake and utilization of N should be high. Bought right N is one of the best returns out there so have 'em on
 
God alive. Count the worms and trace elements. Fudge that.

What ground is your neighbour on, what rainfall and what is he actually growing??

You can start by buying in Nitrogen with sulphur in it. I would suggest you buy Yara extra grass for the first time out next spring and see how you go with that. Obviously contains P and K so be careful with the dose.

Organic matter isnt a huge issue, what arable land lacks is the background applications of manure or slurry giving the drip drip drip of nutrients virtually all year round as it breaks down.
 
God alive. Count the worms and trace elements. Fudge that.

What ground is your neighbour on, what rainfall and what is he actually growing??

You can start by buying in Nitrogen with sulphur in it. I would suggest you buy Yara extra grass for the first time out next spring and see how you go with that. Obviously contains P and K so be careful with the dose.

Organic matter isnt a huge issue, what arable land lacks is the background applications of manure or slurry giving the drip drip drip of nutrients virtually all year round as it breaks down.
Hes on very similar ground, but will strugle woth moisture before me. He grew 42kgdmha more than me last week, so far we have spread very similar fert rates. I can match his growth comfortably on the home ground.

We havent got to worry about rainfall just yet ollie, its been a fairly damp time!!! But mid to low 30s.

Every bag of fert on the farm has sulpher in.

Cowsngrass has confirmed my suspicions and marrys in with others view, just spread more bag for a year or 2
 
Hes on very similar ground, but will strugle woth moisture before me. He grew 42kgdmha more than me last week, so far we have spread very similar fert rates. I can match his growth comfortably on the home ground.

We havent got to worry about rainfall just yet ollie, its been a fairly damp time!!! But mid to low 30s.

Every bag of fert on the farm has sulpher in.

Cowsngrass has confirmed my suspicions and marrys in with others view, just spread more bag for a year or 2

I bet the phosphates are different.
 

jimmer

Member
Location
East Devon
Mowing today ,and hopefully again in 30 odd days
Going to splash some brown water on it and liquid fert , 26,0,0,3
I want it to grow like fudge , is 70 units of liquid too much ?
 

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