Fibrophos/tiger fert V artificial fert

[Hindsight]

If it were not for the Non Fossil Fuel Order 1990 put into place under the Electricity Act 1989 and at the time the ban on straw burning such that the Farming Community considered straw a 'nuisance and waste product' there would not be any straw burning power stations. It was a convenient fix at the time - so logical. Bit like diesel engines in late 1990s would cure CO2 emissions and NOX was conveniently forgotten.

Does bemuse me at times living here in Lincolnshire that all this straw is being removed and burnt yet then I attend meetings and read statements and advice from 'the worried good' about improving soil health to rectify the damage caused by industrial farming.

Hey ho.

 

[Clive]

Looks like the sample in the advert is definitely more granular than the stuff we had ,so you might well be ok if they have improved the formulation @Clive?
We paid £46 per ton last time.

The sample I have is like chips / shards rather than the granular Fibrophos or powdery kalfos products

I’ve not actually applied any yet but to my eye it looks like it would spread further - I guess I will find out !!

Talking £40/t roughly but I guess it’s delivery cost / area dependant a bit ? That’s less than half what I paid for Fibrophos this time last year

 

[Andrew K]

The sample I have is like chips / shards rather than the granular Fibrophos or powdery kalfos products

I’ve not actually applied any yet but to my eye it looks like it would spread further - I guess I will find out !!

Talking £40/t roughly but I guess it’s delivery cost / area dependant a bit ? That’s less than half what I paid for Fibrophos this time last year

We were on £65 delivered for P Grow last summer which is the same as you have it for on FarmMarket place right now.
It's price seems dependant on distance from the manufacturer,I agree.

 

[Rob Holmes]

The salesman was telling me that some of the Tiger fert was derived from incinerated bonemeal, does this have implications for FA and end users?

 

[neilo]

the main thing I like about these types of ferts is that they are sustainable, instead of using mined ferts which are running out!!

I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now. I thought most people only used it because it was cheaper than bagged ferts, even if it is more of a pain to apply.

 

[Clive]

The salesman was telling me that some of the Tiger fert was derived from incinerated bonemeal, does this have implications for FA and end users?

Fibrophos and kalfos etc also are - all these products are by product from power generation using straw or animal waste product (bone etc or manures)

Don’t think it has any FA implications - think they are all organic certified even ?

Certainly more sustainable than mining as already said

 

[7800]

it would be interesting to see trial results of these products on crops like sugar beet and potatoes that will show a response to P & K
Very hard to tell on combinable crops as you can probably get away with no P & K for years

 

[Hindsight]

Fibrophos and kalfos etc also are - all these products are by product from power generation using straw or animal waste product (bone etc or manures)

Don’t think it has any FA implications - think they are all organic certified even ?

Certainly more sustainable than mining as already said

Mining the blokes land that sent the straw to the power station?

 

[Will 1594]

Pelleting anything is very expensive and time consuming

I think they said its coming ,will be able to spread it at 24 m in tramline instead of paddling at 8/12 m on ploughing with big heavy gear

 

[Will 1594]

Fibrophos and kalfos etc also are - all these products are by product from power generation using straw or animal waste product (bone etc or manures)

Don’t think it has any FA implications - think they are all organic certified even ?

Certainly more sustainable than mining as already said

What about spuds carrots onions , would have to check if it can go before them

 

[richard hammond]

I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now. I thought most people only used it because it was cheaper than bagged ferts, even if it is more of a pain to apply.

Vegan next week!!

 

[clemmo]

Fibrophos and kalfos etc also are - all these products are by product from power generation using straw or animal waste product (bone etc or manures)

Don’t think it has any FA implications - think they are all organic certified even ?

Certainly more sustainable than mining as already said

Pretty sure they’re not certified as organic

As they can’t guarentee that it has come from an organic source I could be wrong though !

 

[Clive]

Pretty sure they’re not certified as organic

As they can’t guarentee that it has come from an organic source I could be wrong though !

I’m not 100% sure - it’s ash so you would have thought and anti biotics used in animals or crop protection products used on straw would be long gone !

 

[Clive]

I think they said its coming ,will be able to spread it at 24 m in tramline instead of paddling at 8/12 m on ploughing with big heavy gear

I was told a 36m prill was coming but a year or so away yet - that will be useful if they do

 

[Clive]

What about spuds carrots onions , would have to check if it can go before them

Best to check I guess, might depend upon your contract

 

[Clive]

Mining the blokes land that sent the straw to the power station?

At least it’s being returned though - mining anything is usualy incredibly environmentally damaging

These type of products are not perfect but they do seem a much better alternative

 

[Patrick JE]

Meat and bone meal (MBM) is a by-product of the meat industry and is an important pathway for recycling of N and P. MBM contains about 8% N, 5% P, 1% K and 10% Ca. Field trials compared the effects of MBM and mineral fertilizer on yield and quality of sugar beet (2008-2009) and carrot (2010-2011) in Finland. MBM fertilisation of sugar beet grown on clay loam and sandy clay soil gave 11.4% (2008) and 19.6% (2009) lower yields than mineral fertilizers. The lower root yield in 2008 was compensated by higher extractable sugar content and lower amino-N, K and Na in root but no such compensation in root quality was detected for 2009. Mixing MBM with mineral NPK fertilizers had similar effects as MBM-alone. MBM (80 kg N ha-1 2010 and 60 kg N ha-12011) together with K fertilizer (Patentkali®,180 kg K ha-1) were applied for carrot to a fine sandy till soil in 2010 and sandy loam in 2011. MBM alone gave 14% lower total and marketable root yield than mineral fertilization. The lower yield was compensated by improved quality, lower NO3 - content in the carrot and good storability. Adding extra fertilizer during growth or separating fertilization applications had no effect on root yield or quality. MBM performed in these cases mainly as an organic N fertilizer. The N supply from MBM is not sufficient for achieving same yields as with mineral fertilizers. The relative N efficiency of total N of MBM was 83% that of mineral fertilizers. MBM should be targeted on soils with low P status. We conclude that MBM is a reasonably competitive alternative to mineral fertilizers, and as a recycled fertilizer it is a good option for organic production.

 

[Daniel Larn]

Glad to see folk rate fibrophos for more than just the price, what are people getting it for these days?

 

[Andrew K]

Glad to see folk rate fibrophos for more than just the price, what are people getting it for these days?

Read above posts.

 

[Yale]

But no one can quantify the benefits of Kalfos.

One Tiger product is similar to Kalfos so I can’t see there being muc( difference in response.

We spread Kalfos on grassland last summer and to date I can't see any visual difference.

I was hoping someone on here may have some positive data.