Field hospitals

[spanners and hammers]

I'm sure the army are doing great things at ExCel but the stock photos are showing shell scheme which would in all likelihood be put up by the incumbent venue contractors and they should be similarly praised

did see a job ad for sparkys for the excel last week needed 80 ,,, £20 ph

 

[Steevo]

The interviewers and editorial staff choose the interviewees. Having watched / listened to a fair bit of news recently, the BBC have had a fair number of NHS staff on about their 'concerns' in re whatever. Those that have had worries have been shown / re-interviewed again and again; the few who have got through the screening process and yet haven't anything negative to say have only been broadcast once.

I don't know, but would be prepared to wager that most - maybe all? - of those expressing very negative views could, after a bit of research, be found to have an online record of political activism and they are taking the chance of easy hits against the Government now. I know this definitely applies to at least one nursing and one doctors' 'spokesperson'.

Right, back to the zoo...



Ha! You should apply for a P|R job in the NHS...

I would agree on the NHS staff bit. There does seem quite a bit of negativity and it’s hard to know whether it’s representative of on the ground or if they like the chance to complain. It’s sad that I question that.

 

[Hindsight]

The interviewers and editorial staff choose the interviewees. Having watched / listened to a fair bit of news recently, the BBC have had a fair number of NHS staff on about their 'concerns' in re whatever. Those that have had worries have been shown / re-interviewed again and again; the few who have got through the screening process and yet haven't anything negative to say have only been broadcast once.

I don't know, but would be prepared to wager that most - maybe all? - of those expressing very negative views could, after a bit of research, be found to have an online record of political activism and they are taking the chance of easy hits against the Government now. I know this definitely applies to at least one nursing and one doctors' 'spokesperson'.

Right, back to the zoo...

Well, I will continue to listen to the BBC and as ever operate my own vetting system where I appreciate there may be some subjectivity in the reports but the gist probably comes out. No worse than FOX news. And no worse than the Daily Wail, Express and Telegraph. Sad day when the Conservative and Brexit Party dismantles the BBC as I am sure it will do at some stage. Hey ho.

 

[som farmer]

power, in the world, today, is king, I agree the bbc is somewhat biased against the tories, so, if the bbc wants to carry on in its present form, why keep knocking, the very people that can change you. Listening to bbc this morning, all about what the gov hasn't done, person after person knocking the response, nothing about what they HAVE done, which is massive. The old saying, don't bite the hand, of the man that feeds you, may well apply.

 

[onesiedale]

News reports currently have a very captive audience, and the journalists know that hyping up the news will make it even more addictive. -. You only have to look at us on here discussing it!
I did feel the Police forces coming in for criticism yesterday over enforcing the"lockdown was cheap point scoring by the media. Again, unnecessary aggressive interviewing.

 

[Hindsight]

power, in the world, today, is king, I agree the bbc is somewhat biased against the tories, so, if the bbc wants to carry on in its present form, why keep knocking, the very people that can change you. Listening to bbc this morning, all about what the gov hasn't done, person after person knocking the response, nothing about what they HAVE done, which is massive. The old saying, don't bite the hand, of the man that feeds you, may well apply.

Ah the difficulties in balance! Your suggesting a subservient compliant approach, to protect the organisation from the threat of the Tories. Is that not what is the press in China Russia Iran.

No the truth is while the BBC upsets folk from all sides I take that as a positive.

 

[ollie989898]

Bad news sells, or gets watched / listened to / viewed etc..

A lot of the media have an agenda, and they shouldn't; at the very least they should shelve it for now. Their attempts at leading questions, idiotic comparisons and, most irritatingly for me, the never-ending asking of Ministers 'Do you admit...?' FFS, an 'admission' has connotations of guilt or wrong-doing; they're trying to create news rather than report it. Disgusting individuals.

The BBC, in particular, had a chance to prove its worth in the current situation, it has failed utterly, merely continuing with its left-liberal b!tching and agenda. It will regret that later, and serve it right.

I agree, it should be legal for a Prime Minister or senior government official to pull out a large kipper and whack stupid journos whenever they are asked a daft or inflammatory question.

 

[ollie989898]

As good as the Nightingale hospitals look in the photos, there seems to be next to no medical equipment in them in the photos i have seen.

My fear is as this escalates, this is where they plan to send the worst affected that have the least chance of survival, and the youngest and fittest in society with better survival chances will be treated in existing hospitals.

Hope I am wrong, and hope they wont be needed at all.

Desperate times

They intend to treat only virus sufferers in these places. The ventilators are starting to be delivered at the weekend I think along with oxygen. Some drugs and the usual stuff will be provided as befits the needs of those with it. The staffing will be the biggest issue.

There are limited things that can be done for people in respiratory distress from covid-19.

 

[ollie989898]

The American states now seem to be locked into a ridiculous bidding war with one another over medical supplies and ventilators. But Trump seems incapable or unwilling to intervene. This is not going to end well for them.

Inevitable- the Fed has FEMA and no end of resources, including the national guard. They should be deploying all of this.

 

[Muck Spreader]

power, in the world, today, is king, I agree the bbc is somewhat biased against the tories, so, if the bbc wants to carry on in its present form, why keep knocking, the very people that can change you. Listening to bbc this morning, all about what the gov hasn't done, person after person knocking the response, nothing about what they HAVE done, which is massive. The old saying, don't bite the hand, of the man that feeds you, may well apply.

Not how I see it. The BBC may as well just play "Protect our NHS" on a loop as Dominic Cummings just gets every minister to trot it out every time a camera is on them. How about; "Get Fu*king testing to protect our NHS" as a more useful slogan, if somewhat unpalatable for the government!

 

[Steevo]

Not how I see it. The BBC may as well just play "Protect our NHS" on a loop as Dominic Cummings just gets every minister to trot it out every time a camera is on them. How about; "Get Fu*king testing to protect our NHS" as a more useful slogan, if somewhat unpalatable for the government!

Testing where needed is important. Whether we are doing enough of that I don't know.

Yet testing for the sake of testing, just to be shown to be doing something doesn't serve any purpose.

Someone could be tested and found to have it but not showing symptoms......and hours before testing could have passed it onto several others who may have been tested 10 mins before and shown as a negative.

It's a hard job to keep on top of for sure. I'm glad it's not my job...

 

[Muck Spreader]

Inevitable- the Fed has FEMA and no end of resources, including the national guard. They should be deploying all of this.

They should have been deploying it 2 months ago. The risk was already there with the Chinese new year celebrations. They wasted time with Trump refusing to import proven testing kits, insisting they developed their own, which initially proved to be faulty. So they are constantly playing catch-up.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Testing where needed is important. Whether we are doing enough of that I don't know.

Yet testing for the sake of testing, just to be shown to be doing something doesn't serve any purpose.

Someone could be tested and found to have it but not showing symptoms......and hours before testing could have passed it onto several others who may have been tested 10 mins before and shown as a negative.

It's a hard job to keep on top of for sure. I'm glad it's not my job...

If you are going to bother trying to control this epidemic you have to get on top of it by testing. With 25% of NHS staff off sick or in quarantine already, you need to testing them regularly. The government talk about a tracing app on your phone is only any real use if you are testing in the first place. You can limit/slow the spread by testing and tracking, if this was done nationally it would be possible to reduce the lock down to weeks rather than months and get economic activity restarting. The labs already exist, it's just a matter of logistical organisation.

 

[Danllan]

Well, I will continue to listen to the BBC and as ever operate my own vetting system where I appreciate there may be some subjectivity in the reports but the gist probably comes out. No worse than FOX news. And no worse than the Daily Wail, Express and Telegraph. Sad day when the Conservative and Brexit Party dismantles the BBC as I am sure it will do at some stage. Hey ho.

I don't disagree in re the clear bias present in all those you mention - you missed the Guardian! But... and it is a really big BUT... they are all private enterprises without the effective monopoly that the publicly funded BBC has. An it's those two points, the public funding and the effective monopoly that grate most.

 

[Steevo]

If you are going to bother trying to control this epidemic you have to get on top of it by testing. With 25% of NHS staff off sick or in quarantine already, you need to testing them regularly. The government talk about a tracing app on your phone is only any real use if you are testing in the first place. You can limit/slow the spread by testing and tracking, if this was done nationally it would be possible to reduce the lock down to weeks rather than months and get economic activity restarting. The labs already exist, it's just a matter of logistical organisation.

They will get there I'm sure. The important thing is focussing the testing in the right place, and then knowing what to do with the results.

As you say, plenty of lab capacity according to this article. Whether they have the chemicals needed I don't know however.

Coronavirus: UK labs 'can process tens of thousands more tests'

Expert says university and big hospital labs can be used to reach German levels of testing

www.theguardian.com

 

[Muck Spreader]

They will get there I'm sure. The important thing is focussing the testing in the right place, and then knowing what to do with the results.

As you say, plenty of lab capacity according to this article. Whether they have the chemicals needed I don't know however.

Coronavirus: UK labs 'can process tens of thousands more tests'

Expert says university and big hospital labs can be used to reach German levels of testing

www.theguardian.com

I noticed Gove on the radio this morning saying they couldn't get the reagents for testing. But the Boss of one of the companies that supplies them in the UK, Tweeted that they were ready to supply, but were still awaiting an order from the UK government.

 

[PSQ]

No the truth is while the BBC upsets folk from all sides I take that as a positive.

I see where you're coming from, but they can stick their impossible middle class agenda for 'organic veganism' up their arse. With farmers being on the receiving end of so much sh!t quality 'journalism', perhaps we should question just how much of the rest of their 'news' output is written by un-sackable staff with an axe to grind.

Five years ago I would have defended the BBC to the hilt. Last year we had the non stop '57 genders' BS and the corporate decision to promote 'veganuary' as our salvation from the Climate Emergency. I object to some urban halfwit behind a BBC desk using European farmers as 'whipping boys' for NORTH AMERICAN feedlots and SOUTH AMERICAN deforestation, I wouldn't cross the street to save it. Let it die, and the sooner the better. f**k'em, f**k'em all.

 

[JP1]

I see where you're coming from, but they can stick their impossible middle class agenda for 'organic veganism' up their arse. With farmers being on the receiving end of so much sh!t quality 'journalism', perhaps we should question just how much of the rest of their 'news' output is written by un-sackable staff with an axe to grind.

Five years ago I would have defended the BBC to the hilt. But after last years non stop '57 genders' BS and the corporate decision to promote 'veganuary' as the salvation from the Climate Emergency and the effects of NORTH and SOUTH AMERICAN feedlots, I wouldn't cross the street to save it. Let it die, and the sooner the better. fudge'em.

You're not keen anymore then

 

[som farmer]

I noticed Gove on the radio this morning saying they couldn't get the reagents for testing. But the Boss of one of the companies that supplies them in the UK, Tweeted that they were ready to supply, but were still awaiting an order from the UK government.

is this the usual response from the civil service ? We have seen how it gold plates every diktat for the subsidy system, it really wouldn't surprise me, if guv told them to order x amount, by the time it has got 'through' their system, it's different to the order, due diligence has to be observed, then they have to set up payment details, triple check, and a gov gateway no, and pass word, another 48 hrs, then a trial run, and that's after it's been checked by about 15 people, who haven't got a clue of what they are meant to be doing. Know a few who work in cs, it's their speed/system, full stop. and, of course, it's not their fault, just following the rules !

 

[PSQ]

You're not keen anymore then

My wrath for the BBC doesn't come close to my contempt for the Scottish Governments refusal to open the brand new MOTHBALLED Sick Kids Hospital as a stop gap Coronavirus hospital.

In short, ScotGov f**ked up the specification and it's not fit fo purpose. Instead Scottish taxpayers (and you Barnet funders too ?) are paying £1.3 million a month in PFI for an empty 'state of the art' hospital, while ScotGov instead 'transform' an exhibition centre into a glorified 300 bed 'palliative care ward' for people to die in.

If there was any justice the entire Scottish Cabinet ('Commode' would be a better description) would be used as guinea pigs for Covid19 research, as thats all the useless pansies are good for.