Fight fire with fire ?

bitwrx

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That’s not true, my little boy can’t have gluten and none of the Aldi sausages have it in, and I don’t think the sainsbury’s Own brand do either
Yeh, they've got rid of rusk and now put bamboo fibre in instead. Sounds wrong, but still yum.
 
Really?
Ever eaten a sausage with only the ingredients listed in the tweet?

The last time I ate a sausage with that few ingredients, I made it myself.

Incredibly obvious lying to make a point lacks any kind of integrity and as such reflects incredibly badly on the industry.

It's embarrassing.

Yes I have.

I work in the UK food industry growing high quality food for UK consumers.

Like ALL UK farmers.

I support ALL UK food processors that use my high quality traceable assured produce to create the best quality food in the world.

That includes UK butchers that produce UK sausages.

I can only presume the "Crap" you are refering to is produced outside the UK ?
 

Raider112

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As far as I'm concerned telling incredibly obvious lies does nothing to further UK agriculture's image, rather, it it's incredibly detrimental.

I didn't need to research the information on that tweet, its such a bare faced lie.

I don't eat any sausages, meat or otherwise. They are full of absolute crap.
Bog standard supermarket sausages, burgers, etc. may be full of crap but proper butchers sausage will be pretty close to what the picture says. Send a beast to the abattoir and any mince or burgers you get back will be what you sent in and nothing else. It depends which version you want to call a sausage or burger.
 

SteveHants

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Gloucestershire
Yes I have.

I work in the UK food industry growing high quality food for UK consumers.

Like ALL UK farmers.

I support ALL UK food processors that use my high quality traceable assured produce to create the best quality food in the world.

That includes UK butchers that produce UK sausages.

I can only presume the "Crap" you are refering to is produced outside the UK ?
The "crap" I'm referring to is all the stuff that is not meat/fat/cereal (in a suitably small percentage).

I don't care where it is made, just because a highly processed sausage is made in the UK doesn't mean it isn't crap. The notion that ALL UK processors produce high quality food is laughable. What about the UK processors that produce the vege sausages the tweet is criticising?

Still, that misses the point, the point is the obvious lie. Find me a sausage on a supermarket shelf that only contains the ingredients in the tweet. You won't be able to.

Support the tweet if you like. I'm sure it'll help UK agriculture's cause for the public to believe that we are massive liars. It doesn't even include any kind of rusk/cereal on the meat sausage list, which even the most expensive sausages contain (for texture/fat absorbtion).
 
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Raider112

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The "crap" I'm referring to is all the stuff that is not meat/fat/cereal (in a suitably small percentage).

I don't care where it is made, just because a highly processed sausage is made in the UK doesn't mean it isn't crap. The notion that ALL UK processors produce high quality food is laughable. What about the UK processors that produce the vege sausages the tweet is criticising?

Still, that misses the point, the point is the obvious lie. Find me a sausage on a supermarket shelf that only contains the ingredients in the tweet. You won't be able to.

Support the tweet if you like. I'm sure it'll help UK agriculture's cause for the public to believe that we are massive liars.
Massive liars? it may be twisting things a bit if we are talking about processed crap but have you ever read any of the vegan rubbish on social media? 99% of that is Jackanory stuff and point this out on some of the pages and they just ban you rather than debate the point.
 

SteveHants

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Gloucestershire
Massive liars? it may be twisting things a bit if we are talking about processed crap but have you ever read any of the vegan rubbish on social media? 99% of that is Jackanory stuff and point this out on some of the pages and they just ban you rather than debate the point.

And how will stooping to that level help?

There isn't a level of subjectivity in it, you could read it, as "the man on the street", go to your fridge, turn over the packet of sausages and immediately uncover the lie.

As someone who does occasionally read ingredients labels, I read that tweet and the first thought that entered my head was "well, that's a load of rubbish".....

Edited to add: does this software really edit b*llocks to "rubbish"? :LOL:
 

Raider112

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And how will stooping to that level help?

There isn't a level of subjectivity in it, you could read it, as "the man on the street", go to your fridge, turn over the packet of sausages and immediately uncover the lie.

As someone who does occasionally read ingredients labels, I read that tweet and the first thought that entered my head was "well, that's a load of rubbish".....

Edited to add: does this software really edit b*llocks to "rubbish"? :LOL:
I think it's a bit late for Marquess of Queensbury rules while the opposition kick us in the rubbish!!
 

Boohoo

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Newtownabbey
There really isn't any pleasing some people, all they do is criticise and find fault but never produce anything constructive . I was more than happy to share the post to Facebook because the ingredients listed for a real sausage are what I expect to be in a sausage, I don't eat cheap and nasty sausages and I know plenty of people who won't eat them either. Vegan sausages won't be marketed as a economy option so they shouldn't be compared to economy "meat" sausages.
 

SteveHants

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Location
Gloucestershire
There really isn't any pleasing some people, all they do is criticise and find fault but never produce anything constructive . I was more than happy to share the post to Facebook because the ingredients listed for a real sausage are what I expect to be in a sausage, I don't eat cheap and nasty sausages and I know plenty of people who won't eat them either. Vegan sausages won't be marketed as a economy option so they shouldn't be compared to economy "meat" sausages.
Even your premium, posh, non supermarket sausages have more ingredients than that. They will all have some amount of cereal in them, for starters.
 
Processed food is processed food.

My guess is you're wholely invested in an ideology.

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Again you know this .. any farmer knows this, anyone that eats the food they grow knows this .. but you're invested in something where you're willing to throw out the baby with the bath water.
I'm not wholly invested in agriculture - it's actually a very small aspect to my overall family business - less than 5% at last accounting period. Ironically, my agri customer base actually goes up with bad farming press stories, as most of our produce is direct sales and customers avoid the mass suppliers in favour of those they can visit, but I still want the best for the industry as a whole.

How you can use the word "Lies" in combination with these posts .. btw EXACTLY the same situation with Butter .. vilified to create Margarene sales, which is literally plastic.
Unless you're meaning 'plastic' to be the opposite of elastic, rheologically, then you couldn't be more wrong. If you are, then the same could be said about whipped cream and a host of other foodstuffs and your statement should be considered highly disingenuous. The products we now know as margarine are far removed from the original oleomargarine derived from beef tallow and most (all?) now come from vegetable oils. Plastics such as polyethylene are derived mostly from fossil fuels. I'm pretty certain that no butter substitute that is made from fossil fuel oils, aside from that put into the tractors and harvesters etc.
 
in order for things like succinic acid to be listed as a separate ingredient, they must have been added in separately, not occur naturally. Hence why on a broccoli it doesn’t say succinic acid or indeed have an ingredients list!
Might be worth reading label law
That's a fair point, and would be the basis for a correctly worded picture. With all these things, the devil is in the detail though, as we have seen. Whilst @Clive may not plan to use it for advertising, plenty of us on here could, if it was done properly and able to stand up to challenge.
 

Boohoo

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Location
Newtownabbey
Even your premium, posh, non supermarket sausages have more ingredients than that. They will all have some amount of cereal in them, for starters.
@Badshot posted a label earlier in the thread for Tesco finest sausages that are 97% pork. They also contained potato starch and a preservative in addition to the ingredients listed in the OP but the percentages are so small they're neither here nor there.
 

SteveHants

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Location
Gloucestershire
@Badshot posted a label earlier in the thread for Tesco finest sausages that are 97% pork. They also contained potato starch and a preservative in addition to the ingredients listed in the OP but the percentages are so small they're neither here nor there.
Not here or there?
I would warrant that the potassium nitrate I used when I used to make my own bacon, was at far less than 3%, doesn't make it any less carcinogenic.
 

Boohoo

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Location
Newtownabbey
Not here or there?
I would warrant that the potassium nitrate I used when I used to make my own bacon, was at far less than 3%, doesn't make it any less carcinogenic.
What you used when you made your own bacon is up to you. I'm talking about 3% of ingredients split between potato starch, salt, water, dried herbs, white pepper, sodium metabisulphite and nutmeg, with the greatest listed first.
 
@Badshot posted a label earlier in the thread for Tesco finest sausages that are 97% pork. They also contained potato starch and a preservative in addition to the ingredients listed in the OP but the percentages are so small they're neither here nor there.
'A preservative' = sodium metabisulphide

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Now, to be clear, there's many foods that have this in, and it's not an issue in the quantities that we are talking here. But the same could be said for all the ingredients in the fake sausage too - they've all been through product licensing/ testing etc. and certified safe for human consumption.

To be honest, this all feels a bit like the 'dihydrogen monoxide aka DHMO aka H2O aka water' thing - make it sound scary as a way of conning the impressionable, and then not mention the similar constituents in the stuff we're selling. It's not how I want to do business.
 

SteveHants

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Location
Gloucestershire
What you used when you made your own bacon is up to you. I'm talking about 3% of ingredients split between potato starch, salt, water, dried herbs, white pepper, sodium metabisulphite and nutmeg, with the greatest listed first.
So not at all irrelevant then, and certainly more ingredients than in the tweet.
 

Boohoo

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Location
Newtownabbey
So not at all irrelevant then, and certainly more ingredients than in the tweet.
Anyone who wasn't just interested in splitting hairs would class the dried herbs, the white pepper and the nutmeg the same as the spices that were in the OP's ingredients list. The preservative has to be less than 0.5% and is going to be in all Supermarket food and the potato starch at maybe 1% isn't the end of the world is it?
 

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