Fight fire with fire ?

[yellowbelly]

levys?

I'd far rather my levy money was spent on something like this. We could try lobbying the AHDB - come to think of it, I saw a post from somebody from there the other day.
@AHDB, what do you reckon?

 

[Robt]

This is good info, but ve

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ry few if any will read past paragraph one...

 

[milkloss]

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Awesome response!

 

[Farmer Roy]

no reason at all and it doesn't cost a lot really

but getting farmers to agree on anything let alone fund it ..................... no hope !

Haha - they can't even agree on the pork sausage

 

[Farmer Roy]

Ive read all the replies. This is my point of view.
Is the vegan threat as as bad as some are making out? i dont think so. My local butcher shop is busier than ever. In fact one in the southeast has now started selling veggie burgers and vegan burgers! They say why turn customers away if one of the family is non meat eating.
We are all looking at these radical vegan posts as farmers hence we notice them more. It would be interesting to have a poll of non farmers to see if they actually take any notice of the radical vegan posts? I doubt they do.
I strongly disagree with lying juts ''cos they do''.
There are millions of non farmers so if they were to questions the lies from our side then they would far out weigh those in farming that can defend.
I like the earlier post about farmers produce products that vegans and veggie's eat...
As for the answer, well i dont know, we cant sit back and do nothing but lying isnt the answer no matter how small it is. Look at Pritti Patel. She was sacked for lying to the then PM. Now she is Home Secretary .... News and headlines are short lived in this modern world.
My only suggestion is for the NFU to be better at Social media... But that ship/thread has long since sailed

Not just the NFU . . .
Individual farmers & farmer groups all need to be active on social media
They certainly are here & in the US

 

[Farmer Roy]

This is good info, but ve


ry few if any will read past paragraph one...

That is the problem

 

[Clive]

Next

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1163422900378120194

 

[bovrill]

Ive read all the replies. This is my point of view.
Is the vegan threat as as bad as some are making out? i dont think so. My local butcher shop is busier than ever. In fact one in the southeast has now started selling veggie burgers and vegan burgers! They say why turn customers away if one of the family is non meat eating.
We are all looking at these radical vegan posts as farmers hence we notice them more. It would be interesting to have a poll of non farmers to see if they actually take any notice of the radical vegan posts? I doubt they do.
I strongly disagree with lying juts ''cos they do''.
There are millions of non farmers so if they were to questions the lies from our side then they would far out weigh those in farming that can defend.
I like the earlier post about farmers produce products that vegans and veggie's eat...
As for the answer, well i dont know, we cant sit back and do nothing but lying isnt the answer no matter how small it is. Look at Pritti Patel. She was sacked for lying to the then PM. Now she is Home Secretary .... News and headlines are short lived in this modern world.
My only suggestion is for the NFU to be better at Social media... But that ship/thread has long since sailed

I don't think the radicals' posts are the problem, most people can see that it's mainly crazy ranting.
The problem is the constant drip of gentle propaganda. There are some very clever people who understand the psychology of, and how to change, perceptions. And some have got their teeth into meat! (Sorry, couldn't resist that pun!)
Once they start to get influential people converted, there's a snowball effect, and they've been working on this for a long time, now with the likes of BBC, the Guardian, and Channel 4 firmly behind the ideas, it's a mighty momentum they've built up!

 

[Canada Farmer]

I don't think the radicals' posts are the problem, most people can see that it's mainly crazy ranting.
The problem is the constant drip of gentle propaganda. There are some very clever people who understand the psychology of, and how to change, perceptions. And some have got their teeth into meat! (Sorry, couldn't resist that pun!)
Once they start to get influential people converted, there's a snowball effect, and they've been working on this for a long time, now with the likes of BBC, the Guardian, and Channel 4 firmly behind the ideas, it's a mighty momentum they've built up!

From what I get from Channel 4 over here on Facebook, even I can figure out is shite ,eh.

 

[Raider112]

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I'm surprised you haven't had a lecture yet from someone pointing out that one of those points may not be 100% accurate.

 

[SteveHants]

I'm surprised you haven't had a lecture yet from someone pointing out that one of those points may not be 100% accurate.

But that seems reasonable, certainly, if you wanted to question it, it'd take some rooting around in the literature.

Unlike the tweet in the original post which was obviously a lie, and very easy to verify as one by having a pack of sausages handy.

 

[yellowbelly]

Unlike the tweet in the original post which was obviously a lie, and very easy to verify as one by having a pack of sausages handy.

Real sausages don't come in packs - they come from butcher's shops and contain pretty much what it says in the OP.

 

[SteveHants]

Real sausages don't come in packs - they come from butcher's shops and contain pretty much what it says in the OP.

Not for 99% of people who buy sausages.

Also, butcher's sausages will contain cereal, and often some kind of preservative.

 

[Clive]

Good god !! if anyone whats to understand why farmers will never form any kind of united front they should read this thread

You can't even agree on what a bloody sausage is !


United we stand divided we fall ? ......... RIP the British farm you all have no chance

 

[SteveHants]

Good god !! if anyone whats to understand why farmers will never form any kind of united front they should read this thread

You can't even agree on what a bloody sausage is !


United we stand divided we fall ? ......... RIP the British farm you all have no chance

Although, quibbles over what a sausage is aside, literally no sausages will have the ingredients in the original tweet.

We can do (and often have done) so much better than that ridiculous tweet.

 

[Clive]

Although, quibbles over what a sausage is aside, literally no sausages will have the ingredients in the original tweet.

We can do (and often have done) so much better than that ridiculous tweet.

That tweet is exactly what is needed to counter similar dumbed down over simplified, agenda fueled attacks on our industry

no one give wants you to educated them with the boring facts - no one cares ? get it ? NO ONE cares .............. even I don't care what's in a sausage as long as it taste good and it won't kill me !! I even ate one from Ikea once FFS !


What are YOU doing to educate our customers / counter the vegan / anti farming agenda this week ? and have YOU reached 40,000 of them in just over 48hrs like my "ridiculous" tweet has ?

 

[Farmer Roy]

Good god !! if anyone whats to understand why farmers will never form any kind of united front they should read this thread

You can't even agree on what a bloody sausage is !


United we stand divided we fall ? ......... RIP the British farm you all have no chance

Haha - I was thinking the same just before I read your post

This whole thread is very funny, great satire



Oh wait - it's not meant to be comedy. It's actually a very serious subject concerning people's businesses & the industry . . .

In that case, this is one of the saddest & most depressing threads on TFF

Pork sausages
Really ?

FFS

Such a negative, whinging, moaning lot. No one owes you a living, no one cares if you go broke, no one else is going to step in & solve all your problems for you.

Step up or step out . . .

 

[Cowcorn]

That tweet is exactly what is needed to counter similar dumbed down over simplified, agenda fueled attacks on our industry

no one give wants you to educated them with the boring facts - no one cares ? get it ? NO ONE cares


What ate YOU doing to educate our customers and have YOU reached 40,000 of them since Sunday like my "ridiculous" tweet has ?

Now youre talking, thats the sort of " fucck you bitch " response thats missing from those who try to be polite and do things quietly , SHINE on !!!

 

[Clive]

Haha - I was thinking the same just before I read your post

This whole thread is very funny, great satire



Oh wait - it's not meant to be comedy. It's actually a very serious subject concerning people's businesses & the industry . . .

In that case, this is one of the saddest & most depressing threads on TFF

Pork sausages
Really ?

FFS

Such a negative, whinging, moaning lot. No one owes you a living, no one cares if you go broke, no one else is going to step in & solve all your problems for you.

Step up or step out . . .

It is utterly depressing

I absolutely despair of UK farmers - sometimes I guess stuff is just too broken to fix ?



Time to start printing TFF "the end is nigh" trailer stickers I think - they would be very popular and sadly probably accurate the whilst current attitudes prevail

 

[JP1]

It is utterly depressing

I absolutely despair of UK farmers - sometimes I guess stuff is just too broken to fix ?



Time to start printing TFF "the end is nigh" trailer stickers I think - they would be very popular and sadly probably accurate the whilst current attitudes prevail

Not everywhere

Holkham on Saturday was a very good tonic for me and to see positivity