Filters - where do you get yours?

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bitwrx

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Just priced up a (nearly) full set of filters for the Manitou from our local dealer. Was somewhat taken aback by the overall price of £420 +VAT, averaging over £50/filter.

Is this really the price of things, or is it worth shopping around? If so, where do I start looking (@ACEngineering )?

It's a 7yr old machine, done 4.5k hours, so no warranty issues to worry about. Just need a decent quality set of filters. (Air x2, eng oil, fuel x2, transmission, hydraulics x2)
 
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bitwrx said:
Just priced up a (nearly) full set of filters for the Manitou from our local dealer. Was somewhat taken aback by the overall price of £420 +VAT, averaging over £50/filter.

Is this really the price of things, or is it worth shopping around? If so, where do I start looking (@ACEngineering )?

It's a 7yr old machine, done 4.5k hours, so no warranty issues to worry about. Just need a decent quality set of filters. (Air x2, eng oil, fuel x2, transmission, hydraulics x2)
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send me the machine serial number so i can take a look
 
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bitwrx said:
Just priced up a (nearly) full set of filters for the Manitou from our local dealer. Was somewhat taken aback by the overall price of £420 +VAT, averaging over £50/filter.

Is this really the price of things, or is it worth shopping around? If so, where do I start looking (@ACEngineering )?

It's a 7yr old machine, done 4.5k hours, so no warranty issues to worry about. Just need a decent quality set of filters. (Air x2, eng oil, fuel x2, transmission, hydraulics x2)
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At those prices there has to be bigger
percentage profit than on new machine
 
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startinghandle said:
At those prices there has to be bigger
percentage profit than on new machine
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At a guess i suspect its something like a MLT 634 with a merc engine. The air filters on that are expensive IMO and he's asking for 2 hydraulic filters which there both expensive BUT imo 1 of them is just a pilot filter and i rarely bother changing that one, nothing bad happens to machine if it blocks other than controls stop working. it wont damage anything.

I only fit the genuine engine oil filter, any aftermarket merc ones i have bought are missing the fibre seal on the bottom of the element! in my mind that is important 🤔 that one isn't over expensive anyway.
 
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Air filters make me laugh
Most tractors /machines have a light on dash to tel you when to clean /blow it out
loads off people change em just for changing them
When i was spreading lime i could blow them out a few times a day but still worked and lasted for years
Buy my truck tractor and vehicle filter from the likes off auto parts etc
but as above it helps to have a good bloke to cross reference filter numbers etc
I write al filter numbers down in service book for vehicle so can always nearly cross ref them ny self
 
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ACEngineering said:
At a guess i suspect its something like a MLT 634 with a merc engine. The air filters on that are expensive IMO and he's asking for 2 hydraulic filters which there both expensive BUT imo 1 of them is just a pilot filter and i rarely bother changing that one, nothing bad happens to machine if it blocks other than controls stop working. it wont damage anything.

I only fit the genuine engine oil filter, any aftermarket merc ones i have bought are missing the fibre seal on the bottom of the element! in my mind that is important 🤔 that one isn't over expensive anyway.
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Everyone's favourite 2013 MLA 630... She's a beaut!

FPT engine. Dealer quoted £34+VAT for the engine oil filter; online it appears to be available for £21, incl VAT. So basically half price. All good, unless the online stuff is counterfeit.

Thanks all for the recommendations. I'll get on the phone tomorrow.

In the meantime, does anyone know why we have air leaking into the fuel system in between the tank and the pre-filter? Engine runs OK, but it takes a lot of cranking to get it started. The fault developed fairly briskly, over a couple of days.

The system primes OK with the manual lift plunger, then air bleeds in from somewhere (we can hear it, but can't locate exactly where). I've replaced the hose from the tank to the filter head - which was in a pretty shoddy state - but the problem persists. Is there any chance the diaphragm in the lift pump has split? We've confirmed that fuel isn't flowing back through the filter head, so presumably there's a non-return valve in there which is working properly.
 
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bitwrx said:
Everyone's favourite 2013 MLA 630... She's a beaut!

FPT engine. Dealer quoted £34+VAT for the engine oil filter; online it appears to be available for £21, incl VAT. So basically half price. All good, unless the online stuff is counterfeit.

Thanks all for the recommendations. I'll get on the phone tomorrow.

In the meantime, does anyone know why we have air leaking into the fuel system in between the tank and the pre-filter? Engine runs OK, but it takes a lot of cranking to get it started. The fault developed fairly briskly, over a couple of days.

The system primes OK with the manual lift plunger, then air bleeds in from somewhere (we can hear it, but can't locate exactly where). I've replaced the hose from the tank to the filter head - which was in a pretty shoddy state - but the problem persists. Is there any chance the diaphragm in the lift pump has split? We've confirmed that fuel isn't flowing back through the filter head, so presumably there's a non-return valve in there which is working properly.
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This one ?

FILTER (ENG OIL) MLA 6 » Manitou Store

Oil Filter for MLA 630 Your Name (required) Your Email (required) Your Message (required)
www.mani-store.co.uk
 
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bitwrx said:
Everyone's favourite 2013 MLA 630... She's a beaut!

FPT engine. Dealer quoted £34+VAT for the engine oil filter; online it appears to be available for £21, incl VAT. So basically half price. All good, unless the online stuff is counterfeit.

Thanks all for the recommendations. I'll get on the phone tomorrow.

In the meantime, does anyone know why we have air leaking into the fuel system in between the tank and the pre-filter? Engine runs OK, but it takes a lot of cranking to get it started. The fault developed fairly briskly, over a couple of days.

The system primes OK with the manual lift plunger, then air bleeds in from somewhere (we can hear it, but can't locate exactly where). I've replaced the hose from the tank to the filter head - which was in a pretty shoddy state - but the problem persists. Is there any chance the diaphragm in the lift pump has split? We've confirmed that fuel isn't flowing back through the filter head, so presumably there's a non-return valve in there which is working properly.
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Oh its YOU :ROFLMAO: :X3: the turf man:scratchhead: Got to be you, not many people own the MLA 630!

The fuel lift pumps on them are not the best, done a few of them, they get crap under the valve heads and then they dont seal. There not expensive items from Iveco.

Theres loads of Hydraulic filters on that thing, 2 x main, 1 on the fan circuit and i think it till has the pilot filter too?

Manitou are not really interested in this model any more, i doubt they will supply anything for it once it hits 10 years old!:X3:
 
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ACEngineering said:
Oh its YOU :ROFLMAO: :X3: the turf man:scratchhead: Got to be you, not many people own the MLA 630!

The fuel lift pumps on them are not the best, done a few of them, they get crap under the valve heads and then they dont seal. There not expensive items from Iveco.

Theres loads of Hydraulic filters on that thing, 2 x main, 1 on the fan circuit and i think it till has the pilot filter too?

Manitou are not really interested in this model any more, i doubt they will supply anything for it once it hits 10 years old!:X3:
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Turf? No, not me. That means there must be two of them still about then.

I was in contact with you about carriage parts for ours. I managed to get them off a burned out one being broken on eBay. If ours is serial no. 03, and there's one on a turf farm somewhere, and there was a burned out one one eBay, maybe that's all of them? I'm tellin' ya, she's a rare classic in the making.

ETA: See your point about hyd filters. Just read a different part of the (crap!) manual, and found out about two of the ones you mention. Local dealer didn't know about them.
 
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