Firewood orders gone very quiet cos everyone else is doing it

delilah

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We do a 240 litre wheely bin for £25, or 5 bins for £100. It does make a margin but only because we are very strict on our delivery area such that no logs are delivered to anyone we aren't driving past anyway to do lookering etc.
 
This happened in my area about 5 years ago, up until then I have a nice little round bringing in around 1500 per year cash then one by one people popped up on facebook sales and wants dropping the price 10 pounds here 10 pounds there 5 years ago i was selling mixed bags seasoned for 75 quid for a dumpy bag now the local locals have it down to £40 per bag. I don't bother any more its simply not worth the hr trip, 20 min each way plus 10 20 minutes unloading plus chopping / splitting and the wood its self.
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
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Grassman

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Derbyshire
It's the same with everything. You'd be flabergasted by the number of folks on FB flogging eggs / hay / haylage ( at way below COP )/ logs.......
The word " diversification " has a lot to answer for.
We are £2.50 a dozen at the gate collected.
Now some comedian on facebook is in the area at £1.50 a dozen! And to top it off that's delivered a dozen at a time ffs!!
 

Grassman

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Location
Derbyshire
It's the same with everything. You'd be flabergasted by the number of folks on FB flogging eggs / hay / haylage ( at way below COP )/ logs.......
The word " diversification " has a lot to answer for.
One thing I have learned after many years. Don't try and compete on price with the beer money boys.
If you cut your price they will do it even cheaper. Name your price and stick to it.
Do less at your price rather than more at a loss.
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
its a cube measuring 1m x 1m x 1m:D:D:D

actually i think a metal cage ibc might be a m3:scratchhead:

careful here fellas

Round timber is often traded by the cubic meter. and a cubic meter is generally very close to 1 tonne, so timber is nowadays often weighed onto the truck with a weigh cell on the crane.
Softwood sawlogs are/were usually 'top diameter' measured, and volumes taken straight from tables supplied by HM stationary/FC dept.
Those tables allow for a moderate taper, and species/long lengths with a greater taper will 'weigh heavy'.

however, stack measure, and the contents of a crate, are something else, ranging from 50% of the overall stack (boney difficult to stack round timber) through to maybe 70-75% for well stack regular logs. (might go higher, but not my expertise)

Stack measure will often be referred to in the deal.... '£xx per cubic meter on stack measured at y%'

Retailing logs it's safer and fairer to stick to set agreed volume. (a net, a crate, a truck full to overflowing etc)


Of course, you might want to discuss hardwood sawlogs traded in 'hoppus feet', but we'll save that for when we're older.
(and yes they still are, EU or otherwise.)
 

3legs

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I did logs for a while, had a processor, it was a good extra income for a few years but hard work, even more so when I had to fell and remove the trees. people always wanted logs during lambing, also I was always too busy on the farm during the summer to process enough, wasn't worth paying someone to help.
The thing that finished it was the cost of timber from the forestry and Arb fellas selling logs from the wind blown trees that they have already been paid to remove.
 
careful here fellas

Round timber is often traded by the cubic meter. and a cubic meter is generally very close to 1 tonne, so timber is nowadays often weighed onto the truck with a weigh cell on the crane.
Softwood sawlogs are/were usually 'top diameter' measured, and volumes taken straight from tables supplied by HM stationary/FC dept.
Those tables allow for a moderate taper, and species/long lengths with a greater taper will 'weigh heavy'.

however, stack measure, and the contents of a crate, are something else, ranging from 50% of the overall stack (boney difficult to stack round timber) through to maybe 70-75% for well stack regular logs. (might go higher, but not my expertise)

Stack measure will often be referred to in the deal.... '£xx per cubic meter on stack measured at y%'

Retailing logs it's safer and fairer to stick to set agreed volume. (a net, a crate, a truck full to overflowing etc)


Of course, you might want to discuss hardwood sawlogs traded in 'hoppus feet', but we'll save that for when we're older.
(and yes they still are, EU or otherwise.)
Most of it is measures in a bag 1m3 lose filled. Its on the the FB/web and Yell page detailed as such. It weighs so where near 1 tonne. Agree around 50% stacked and this is where some people have moaned.

See many delivered in this crates stacked, uniform shape and length. Debarked. Nothing like ours. Best money maker is the stacking service. 8" is in big demand now what is more work really and goes over the 1m3 in measurement.

Starting to hate the sodding thing now driving with 1m3 on a Saturday morning.
 

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