lloyd
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- Location
- Herefordshire
Looks like you've got plenty of plants ,
let's hope for not too harsh a winter.
So far worth your punt.
The volunteer corn has been doing a good job.
Flea Beetle 2019
- Thread starter cotswold farmer 1977
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Looks like you've got plenty of plants ,
let's hope for not too harsh a winter.
So far worth your punt.
The volunteer corn has been doing a good job.
snipe
Member
- Location
- west yorkshire
If the osr fails, how would it look as a crop of barley.?
Its to thick where the combine went and to thin where the chaff spreader didn't spread it far enough to leave the Barley, and its S Barley
Yes can see holes but not yet larvae.
snipe
Member
- Location
- west yorkshire
Yes. Can find larvae. Drill around the 12th August. Very big plants. Hoping that the distance from where the larvae entered the plant to the main stem might be to far for the larvae to travel ??
You aren’t serious are you?Yes. Can find larvae. Drill around the 12th August. Very big plants. Hoping that the distance from where the larvae entered the plant to the main stem might be to far for the larvae to travel ??
- Location
- In the middle.
My volunteer are full of them. Can fin at least 10 per plant and plants are no more than 6 inches tall.
- Location
- Minehead,Somerset
One observation I have seen in my area is where OSR has been grown after W and S Barley it has not grown on as well as behind W Wheat for some reason, maybe the ground dried out more as a longer gap between harvest and drilling ?
Second point is that one farmer in my area took on new ground this year which apart from some kale and stubble turnips has not grown OSR ever but they drilled it quite late 12 th September, Muzuri into stubbles and not sure of fertiliser but it's the best OSR in the area by looks. It came up and just kept growing , no sign of CSFB and is ankle high with no patches. Must find out what variety it is and if they put a load of fert on but maybe the fact it was clean ground made the difference? Mine drilled 2 days earlier and 6 miles away came up well but then stalled and came under intense pressure from csfb . It's ok but got plants ankle high and some at only 4 leaf and the fields look patchy but hopefully will survive the winter.
Second point is that one farmer in my area took on new ground this year which apart from some kale and stubble turnips has not grown OSR ever but they drilled it quite late 12 th September, Muzuri into stubbles and not sure of fertiliser but it's the best OSR in the area by looks. It came up and just kept growing , no sign of CSFB and is ankle high with no patches. Must find out what variety it is and if they put a load of fert on but maybe the fact it was clean ground made the difference? Mine drilled 2 days earlier and 6 miles away came up well but then stalled and came under intense pressure from csfb . It's ok but got plants ankle high and some at only 4 leaf and the fields look patchy but hopefully will survive the winter.
Devon James
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- Location
- Devon
Interesting, our own osr after wheat is not so good as after winter barley, same with a customer's crop. The CSFB were using the wheat stubble to 'hide' in. That was their observation.
All brassicas this season are all over the place. Stubble turnips that went in end of July look great, others after wheat in August good again, then other crops that didn't get up and away, missed a rain, are struggling/failed.
No clear logic to it, apart from the crops that didn't have a rain on them for a fortnight
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
I recently received an email from United Oilseeds with this:
Bearing in mind that many of us have lost our Winter OSR to CSFB, what is the difference in risk of CSFB when growing Spring OSR?
Having seen all the Brassicas in our 2019 Mid Tier Stewardship AB9 Winter Bird Food completely wiped out, I’d have thought that Spring OSR is even more vulnerable the Winter crop!
I’ll be buggered if I want to go through all the effort of buying seed and replanting my failed Winter crop to have exactly the same thing happen again!
Bearing in mind that many of us have lost our Winter OSR to CSFB, what is the difference in risk of CSFB when growing Spring OSR?
Having seen all the Brassicas in our 2019 Mid Tier Stewardship AB9 Winter Bird Food completely wiped out, I’d have thought that Spring OSR is even more vulnerable the Winter crop!
I’ll be buggered if I want to go through all the effort of buying seed and replanting my failed Winter crop to have exactly the same thing happen again!
pgilliat
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It is pretty much rubbish that spring rape is not affected. I find it hard to believe that united oilseeds are leaving themselves open to problems by this marketing spiel.
Like you I am a little skeptical of their claim that CSFB doesn’t graze spring rape!
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
I think I know exactly what word you tried to use. Try using Bollox instead!
We haven’t even managed to get our Astra-Kerb on yet on the 40% of the crop that might make it. I’m coming to the conclusion that the whole crop will now be written off and it might be better to fallow the whole lot for the year and take advantage to tackle the Blackgrass. All it has cost me so far is the seed and CSFB sprays. First loss being the best loss.
I’m sure United Oilseeds are very worried about the future of their prime crop. I for one am seriously considering the future of the crop on this farm. Having bought my Acacia seed from them, it arrived here far too late IMO. I wanted it planted by 7th August to have any chance of it to get big enough to be able to outgrow CSFB damage. This is how I managed to overcome it on out 2108 established crop.
But they run the risk of doing themselves even more damage if they try to promote a crop that has little chance of making it again.
Thinking of the break crops in the future, what else is there that is viable?
- Location
- S E Glos
The species that attacks winter rape doesn't (according to text books) attack spring rape, but there are several other flea beetle species that do!
GeorgeK
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- Location
- Leicestershire
I found the same, spring brassicas eaten in my AB9 as well as the volunteer OSR and charlock in my spring nectar pollen. The idea of a CSFB migration period is rubbish nowadays, if it's warm enough they will be active
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Very little. The perks of osr and winter barley are consistency and early harvest. But awful insect damage, inconsistent BG control and bobbins barley price have knocked those.
Once you loose osr, you run the risk of serious cutting delays, and very limited stale seedbed times if they are a thing for you.
I've just about got grass breaks to pay. And by pay i mean make a return after rent and work.
A winter barley / winter linseed could work and pay. Harvest done by end July.
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Thinking of the break crops in the future, what else is there that is viable?
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Testing the great and goods imagination. Anticipate an upsurge in Winter Linseed. We possibly should ask Mr Michael Gove MP for his advice.
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Testing the great and goods imagination. Anticipate an upsurge in Winter Linseed. We possibly should ask Mr Michael Gove MP for his advice.