fluke

[Northeastfarmer]

Superverm in January

Flukiver in January, yes not a combo.

Which one you going with...

 

[Greythundercloudys]

The straight fluke dose. Flukiver.

 

[glensman]

Which one you going with...

I'm pretty sure he's going for flukaverm

 

[spark_28]

Triclabendazole is brilliant... unless you have resistance.
Best time for using it is end of summer.


Do not use combi drenches. You shouldn't worm your ewes at all.


For the OP, you seem to already know you need to follow up your Flukiver dose 8weeks later with a 2nd dose. This could be with either Flukiver or Trodax. But I've heard Trodax has had another batch problem and the product isn't available until at least February (stores are selling what they have but can't get more).

If you're high risk, they will need done a 3rd time before lambing. Again, either Flukiver or Trodax (Trodax is best at that time).


Trodax isn't hard on ewes, I use it every year late January/early February with no I'll effects.



Ideally, with no known resistance, YES. As part of SCOPS you should rotate your drenches - both the ewes fluke drenches and lambs worm drenches.

Cheers, I normally only give two doses but want to give a third this year. I’ll give them flukiver just after Xmas

 

[Nithsdale]

Cheers, I normally only give two doses but want to give a third this year. I’ll give them flukiver just after Xmas

We used to always just dose twice - September and January - but always got issues. PM ewes in May and June and you'd find plenty of fluke in the livers.

I do Triclabendazole in September, Flukiver now (literally just finished doing the ewes today) and then Trodax at the start of February. Been on that since it got really wet (2012?, so I maybe started 2014 or 2015)) and rarely get an issue with fluke now

 

[Macsky]

I go flukiver early autumn, trodax mid winter and a fluke rate of white dose pre lambing, they really shouldn’t have anything other than left over adults in them at that time of year is my thinking. Worked fine last year.

 

[muleman]

We used to always just dose twice - September and January - but always got issues. PM ewes in May and June and you'd find plenty of fluke in the livers.

I do Triclabendazole in September, Flukiver now (literally just finished doing the ewes today) and then Trodax at the start of February. Been on that since it got really wet (2012?, so I maybe started 2014 or 2015)) and rarely get an issue with fluke now

Ive been using trodax today....why would you suggest it to be better used end of Jan/start feb? Thanks

 

[Nithsdale]

Ive been using trodax today....why would you suggest it to be better used end of Jan/start feb? Thanks

Mud snails and fluke are less active now as we are getting into winter. Because of this, there will be very few of the youngest/immature fluke in the sheep - hence why using Closantle (Flukiver) now is the better option (as it doesn't kill immature fluke).

Trodax doesn't kill all fluke like Triclabendazole does, but it does kill down to a much younger age than Closantle. Trodax is better used once it is starting to warm up again, as the mud snail and fluke become more active.

To be fair, I need to do my ewes at that time as they start lambing in March and I don't want to leave it any later, but an injection with Trodax farther into spring (late March or maybe early April) would be almost ideal timing to see the sheep through to the autumn.


Doing them now with Trodax isn't an issue, really, but you'll not be using it to its fullest effect. Same reason why it's recommended not to use Triclabendazole now (if you have no resistance to it).

 

[Macsky]

Mud snails and fluke are less active now as we are getting into winter. Because of this, there will be very few of the youngest/immature fluke in the sheep - hence why using Closantle (Flukiver) now is the better option (as it doesn't kill immature fluke).

Trodax doesn't kill all fluke like Triclabendazole does, but it does kill down to a much younger age than Closantle. Trodax is better used once it is starting to warm up again, as the mud snail and fluke become more active.

To be fair, I need to do my ewes at that time as they start lambing in March and I don't want to leave it any later, but an injection with Trodax farther into spring (late March or maybe early April) would be almost ideal timing to see the sheep through to the autumn.


Doing them now with Trodax isn't an issue, really, but you'll not be using it to its fullest effect. Same reason why it's recommended not to use Triclabendazole now (if you have no resistance to it).

This isn’t correct, closantel will kill younger fluke than Trodax, this is why trodax is the best mid winter, as fluke burdens should be largely adult populations by then.

Another bonus of closantel is that it doesn’t do any ticks that might be feeding on the ewes at treatment any favours.

 

[muleman]

Mud snails and fluke are less active now as we are getting into winter. Because of this, there will be very few of the youngest/immature fluke in the sheep - hence why using Closantle (Flukiver) now is the better option (as it doesn't kill immature fluke).

Trodax doesn't kill all fluke like Triclabendazole does, but it does kill down to a much younger age than Closantle. Trodax is better used once it is starting to warm up again, as the mud snail and fluke become more active.

To be fair, I need to do my ewes at that time as they start lambing in March and I don't want to leave it any later, but an injection with Trodax farther into spring (late March or maybe early April) would be almost ideal timing to see the sheep through to the autumn.


Doing them now with Trodax isn't an issue, really, but you'll not be using it to its fullest effect. Same reason why it's recommended not to use Triclabendazole now (if you have no resistance to it).

We started with trodax that really bad fluke year 2012 and thought it did a great job, been using it ever since and never had as big a problem again...but there maybe just hasnt been as much fluke about regardless of what we used.
Usually do them about Christmas time but thought best get on as thought there could be a problem this time with it being so wet but ewes seem very fit really when we handled them apart from the odd one.

 

[Nithsdale]

This isn’t correct, closantel will kill younger fluke than Trodax, this is why trodax is the best mid winter, as fluke burdens should be largely adult populations by then.
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Another bonus of closantel is that it doesn’t do any ticks that might be feeding on the ewes at treatment any favours.

Bugger, you're right. Cheers for correcting me - I need to go back and brush up on it again!

 

[Macsky]

Bugger, you're right. Cheers for correcting me - I need to go back and brush up on it again!

It’s a minefield! what we could really do with is a new product that would kill the immatures where triclabendazole resistance is a problem.

 

[Nithsdale]

We started with trodax that really bad fluke year 2012 and thought it did a great job, been using it ever since and never had as big a problem again...but there maybe just hasnt been as much fluke about regardless of what we used.
Usually do them about Christmas time but thought best get on as thought there could be a problem this time with it being so wet but ewes seem very fit really when we handled them apart from the odd one.

Pretty much same here. I think it was 2013 spring/summer I lost a lot of ewes to fluke. Had always just dosed twice a year upto then... but as previous post I've gotten Flukiver and Trodax mixed up at some point.

 

[spark_28]

We used to always just dose twice - September and January - but always got issues. PM ewes in May and June and you'd find plenty of fluke in the livers.

I do Triclabendazole in September, Flukiver now (literally just finished doing the ewes today) and then Trodax at the start of February. Been on that since it got really wet (2012?, so I maybe started 2014 or 2015)) and rarely get an issue with fluke now

I’ve never had any real issues either but other folk have.

I go flukiver early autumn, trodax mid winter and a fluke rate of white dose pre lambing, they really shouldn’t have anything other than left over adults in them at that time of year is my thinking. Worked fine last year.

So when do you give trodax? And when wa your last dose?

 

[west coast angus]

Just out of interest,

Say a place that has had triclabenazole resistance and not used it in over 10 years, would the resistance still be on the farm after 10 years?

I am on a extremely bad farm for fluke and have to dose 4 times and feel a 5 would help, never use triclabenazole, but rely heavily on closantel and trodax, I keep meaning to do a test to see if I have triclabenazole resistance but never get round to it

 

[6910 Buzz]

Ivomec super any good?

 

[livestock 1]

Just out of interest,

Say a place that has had triclabenazole resistance and not used it in over 10 years, would the resistance still be on the farm after 10 years?

I am on a extremely bad farm for fluke and have to dose 4 times and feel a 5 would help, never use triclabenazole, but rely heavily on closantel and trodax, I keep meaning to do a test to see if I have triclabenazole resistance but never get round to it

I am the same. I have to dose with supaverm or flukiver frequently. The last time I used triclabbedazole in between doses of closantel it did not appear to work. A survey was done over the fence bordering myself and that confirmed resistance. I have spoken to the vet many times about this and we discussed doing a trial with different products and different sheep the only way to find out

 

[livestock 1]

Ivomec super any good?

Not meant for sheep but it has been said it works ( don’t take my word for it)

 

[Macsky]

I’ve never had any real issues either but other folk have.


So when do you give trodax? And when wa your last dose?

Ewes got closamectin in Oct and will get trodax later this month or early Jan.

 

[Macsky]

Just out of interest,

Say a place that has had triclabenazole resistance and not used it in over 10 years, would the resistance still be on the farm after 10 years?

I am on a extremely bad farm for fluke and have to dose 4 times and feel a 5 would help, never use triclabenazole, but rely heavily on closantel and trodax, I keep meaning to do a test to see if I have triclabenazole resistance but never get round to it

I’ve heard a couple of different times now that there were some places in the west where triclabendazole never worked in the first place, maybe that explains how the resistance has built, sheep moving around with resistant fluke in them.
I wouldn’t hold out too much hope for it working after a long break. There is oxyclosanide as well, it’s in levafas diamond, but again it only knocks out adult fluke, makes ewes skitter as well.