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delilah

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But what's the message ?
He starts off talking about the concentration of market share.
Then talks about country of origin labeling in 'the grocery store', ie Walmart.
Then talks about the benefits of local food.
Then goes back to country of origin labeling.
Does he see Walmart - 26% of US food retailing - as part of the problem, or part of the solution ?

Seems to me he is as muddled in what he wants as the average farmer this side of the pond.
 

delilah

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in a similar vein.....

This report focuses on the exact same issues as the guy in the OP - the concentration of market share in beef processing.
As with the cowboy, they are totally missing the point that this consolidation is no more than a natural response to the concentration of market share in food retailing.
They are all calling for more localized meat processing, by a more diverse sector with more players in the market, whilst assuming that this can happen whilst there remains a small handful of retailers.
Whatever the US version of 'p!ssing in the wind' is, that's what they are doing.



 
When it gets to the stage that they are slaughtering cattle in that way (if it is true) then madness really has taken over the asylum. In many ways, for a corporate-directed food chain to have got into that state only reinforces my view that everything has gone way too far. I know the UK is starting emulate that model and I sincerely hope it stops.
 

som farmer

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But what's the message ?
He starts off talking about the concentration of market share.
Then talks about country of origin labeling in 'the grocery store', ie Walmart.
Then talks about the benefits of local food.
Then goes back to country of origin labeling.
Does he see Walmart - 26% of US food retailing - as part of the problem, or part of the solution ?

Seems to me he is as muddled in what he wants as the average farmer this side of the pond.
that's at farm level, picking out the 'faults', and where it leads. he's not professional, does a good job of putting his case across, to the USA, knock it if you like, but better than a lot of crap on the net here
 

delilah

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that's at farm level, picking out the 'faults', and where it leads. he's not professional, does a good job of putting his case across, to the USA, knock it if you like, but better than a lot of crap on the net here

for sure, totally agree with where he is coming from, but, as I said, what's the message ?

It's an important issue, one that needs discussion. My suggestion would be to change the thread title to 'Larry Goodman', there's loads of beef producers on here who would open the thread then.
They are the ones who need to be discussing this issue.

As I have suggested above, they are all missing the point by continually having a pop at Goodman. All he is doing is responding to the marketplace. It is the market place that needs changing, not those who respond to its signals, whether here or in the US.
 

som farmer

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the publics eyes glaze over at long reports, he tells it, as he sees it, in a way the public understand. They have no understanding of 'the goodmans' of this world, nor would they be interested. Very common mistake, long lengthy, detailed reports, public neither read or understand them. Simple message, correctly put, will achieve far more sympathy/understanding than detailed reports, however accurate they are.
 

delilah

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the publics eyes glaze over at long reports, he tells it, as he sees it, in a way the public understand. They have no understanding of 'the goodmans' of this world, nor would they be interested. Very common mistake, long lengthy, detailed reports, public neither read or understand them. Simple message, correctly put, will achieve far more sympathy/understanding than detailed reports, however accurate they are.

yes, but I was meaning you should get more beef producers on here to watch your video, and have a discussion about the beef food chain, not the public.
(I still don't know what the cowboys message to the public was).
 

som farmer

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why on earth would you want more beef farmers to watch, and discuss ? If they don't know what the problems are, they shouldn't be farming. Your reply, is typical of a section of society, that always takes for granted, they know the 'way', and seek to prove themselves, by committees, long diatribes, etc. The truth is, however it looks on paper, the gen public doesn't give jackshit about them, and are highly unlikely to listen anyway. The way to engage public opinion, is by telling them the facts, simply.
The message was, c19 has affected the food chain, people being ill, or worried about c19, have slowed the amount of meat coming out of the abattoirs, leading to animals being euthanised on farm, as no room to slaughter, the backlog will mean lower prices for us. Home meat, is being replaced by imported, please ask for home product, if enough people ask, it will make a difference.
The difference between here, and the USA, is they are very loyal, and supportive of their country.
 

delilah

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why on earth would you want more beef farmers to watch, and discuss ? If they don't know what the problems are, they shouldn't be farming.

that's my point, I guess: I don't think they do know what the problems are. Or more pertinently, they don't know what the answers are.
on everything else I think we are in agreement.
 

som farmer

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that's my point, I guess: I don't think they do know what the problems are. Or more pertinently, they don't know what the answers are.
on everything else I think we are in agreement.
on reflection, I might agree with you, that many don't fully realise the trade. On abattoirs, USA meat producers, supply a very standard sized animal, leading to massive cost savings, at cutting. Here the opposite.
 

delilah

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Is why you should support local farmers.
Meat packing plants are hotbeds of infection for COVID 19 because they don't pay sick pay, but they do pay staff a $500 bonus to come into work even if they are sick. It is hard to believe that this is legal and it is certainly not moral.

The travesty is, no-one gives a sh!t.
That's not no-one, as in the general public.
It's no-one, as in farmers.
Two days ago I put the below post up, focusing precisely on what you have just highlighted.
Not a sniff of interest.
There is a disconnect, and it is between every link in the chain.
The disconnect grows with distance. Just another reason why local is better.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/international-workers-day.316403/
 

Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

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Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

Written by Lisa Applin

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In July, we opened the applications window for farmers to join our Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot.

The Sustainable Farming Incentive is 1 of the 3 new environmental land management schemes. It sits alongside the future Local Nature Recovery and Landscape Recovery schemes.

Through the Sustainable Farming Incentive, farmers will be paid for environmentally sustainable actions – ones that are simple to do and do not require previous agri-environment scheme experience.

We are piloting the scheme to...
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