Food Unwrapped C4

[Western promise]

Guys I do quite like this programme , they did a special on VEGAN food last night.
An eye opener ,defiantly made me think ,what did every one else think?

 

[super4]

My wife tells me they had some guy talk about, how much better for the planet, growing and consuming soya protein was compared to animal protein. There was no counter argument, it was shown as total fact. It looks like channel 4 have a similar agenda to the bbc.

 

[farmerfred86]

A decade from now, eating farmed meat will seem a dated concept.
Growing meat (in a lab) seems odd at the moment but it will soon be very normal, cheaper and greener to produce. The ONLY people who won’t like this are the farmers.
It’s a sad reality that we have to get used to.
Not a good thing to hear on this forum but it’s the truth.

Arable farming is just as vulnerable to urban farming!

What I do find funny about this whole thing is that vegans still won’t eat lab produced meat, and it shows a hidden agenda!

 

[Agrispeed]

They missed the whole part about carbon sequestration, transport and carbon cost. Oops.

I wonder how much resources are required to grow the 'guilt free burger'

When you look at the carbon cost and realities of the alternatives, eating grass fed meat is far, far more sustainable than vegan alternatives, which are the ecological version of seal clubbing.

It should be absolutely fecking obvious when you see chemicals being synthesised, or even worse, arable crops making meat alternatives in a million pound lab, using resources that wouldn't otherwise have to be used. Unsurprisingly green things, tend to be well, greener.

We need some money thrown at telling these strokers to fudge off and tell the whole story.

 

[mo!]

I watched it and thought it was vegan propaganda. They actually said that 45% of the land in the world was used to produce beef. Utter nonesense.

 

[Devil's advocate]

I watched it and thought it was vegan propaganda. They actually said that 45% of the land in the world was used to produce beef. Utter nonesense.

45% of famed land, I would have thought not that far out. When you think of all the ranched area, intensive grazed land & crops for feedlots.

Lot of sheep, goats, poultry, pigs, camelids & reindeer out there so not sure.

Crops grown for human consumption incredible range of fruit & veg, cereals & legumes. Most cereals fed to animals, I would have thought, maybe less so in Asia. But how much South American soya is eaten directly by people?

Just think how much land must be used for aclohol production & pleasure animal grazing/fodder.

 

[mo!]

45% of famed land, I would have thought not that far out. When you think of all the ranched area, intensive grazed land & crops for feedlots.

Lot of sheep, goats, poultry, pigs, camelids & reindeer out there so not sure.

Crops grown for human consumption incredible range of fruit & veg, cereals & legumes.

Just think how much land must be used for aclohol production & pleasure animal grazing/fodder.

That's not what they said. 45% of all land.

 

[Al R]

That's not what they said. 45% of all

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Edit, read both opened parts, says meat and cereals.

 

[Purli R]

7 replies & no ones mentioned how fit & sexy Kate Quinlan is? Bet she"s a meat eater

 

[Devil's advocate]

Edit, read both opened parts, says meat and cereals.
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Lots of recent publicity, that goat meat is the most consumed meat? Yet not even mentioned in that attachment.

But beef must take a lot of acres globally, not many sows out grazing in Montana, Queensland (maybe a few feral there) & the Pampas.

 

[Al R]

Lots of recent publicity, that goat meat is the most consumed meat? Yet not even mentioned in that attachment.

But beef must take a lot of acres globally, not many sows out grazing in Montana, Queensland (maybe a few feral there) & the Pampas.

Before I googled I had written that i’d Heard somewhere that goat was still the most popular, after googling I did an Edit.

 

[case 5140]

I saw it............made me think my days farming sheep and cattle may have 10 years left......

 

[som farmer]

I missed this horror show, but am interested in what qualifications I will need to become a profesional park keeper, can I claim a grant to retrain? or will I be forced to grow soya on my unsuitable land ?
actually, a scientist I know, has always told me that future food production will come from fungi and yeasts, which will be grown underground. so perhaps retraining to be a park keeper may be a good idea !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Old Spot]

Very one sided agenda the area to grow tofu did not include the area for producing fert,sprays and transport.
If an area is green and well managed it will sequester carbon
As a farmer I am mainly interested in producing food, the big deal is can the customer pay for it. Maybe proper beef/lamb will be cheaper than the “manufactured” alternative
I was disappointed that the presenter enthused about the smaller area (shown at least three time) needed for soya and allowed the vegan to carry on without any questioning.
I am afraid that this time next year Rodney I will not be a millionaire!

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I'm afraid I didn't see the programme but it sounds like every other that follows a particular 'environmental' agenda while not properly considering the big picture.
Things must change if we are going to be able to maintain life on this planet in the way we know it. There are no simple or easy options. It requires a fundamental re-configuring of the global economy and our use of every resource.
With regard to farming, hydroponics is great at reducing the area required but increases the energy needed. Growing meat substitutes requires inputs and energy. There will be places where these are good options but it is still trying to beat nature rather than work with it.
Consideration must be given to the use of energy, water and any other resources with all options. Farming was sustainable for millennia whilst many of these new ideas are very much unproven.
How can you beat a sheep maintaining the environment without needing fossil fuels, providing a brilliant and natural product for clothing and a source of food.
Where farming works with nature, it can't be beaten by any alternative.

 

[Wurzeetoo]

Whilst I agree that times are changing I can out right say I would never buy a piece of lab grown meat. Slowly the public who can are going for quality rather than quantity. through the ages purchasing what you could afford to eat has always been the same only now we have the technology to produce highly processed cheap frozen food rather than a paupers meal of oysters or gruel. Keep the faith if your producing quality animals you will always be in demand surely this ikea mdf disposable lifestyle must end at some point

 

[delilah]

 

[Cowmangav]

They showed how much more land was needed to produce beef than soya - but forgot to mention that soya isn't grown in the UK. They didn't mention the nutritional quality of the vegan cheese they showed being made. How much protein can there be in stuff made from fermented rice and coconut oil ?

 

[Agrispeed]

They showed how much more land was needed to produce beef than soya - but forgot to mention that soya isn't grown in the UK. They didn't mention the nutritional quality of the vegan cheese they showed being made. How much protein can there be in stuff made from fermented rice and coconut oil ?

I suspect you would struggle to grow soya on most grazing land worldwide, or it would be a massively inappropriate monoculture, which of course is so much better for the environment

If you look at the companies funding a lot of these reports, some big names crop up quite commonly, I doubt Dow, Bayer, BASF, Cargil and Nestlè - to name a few - are funding these reports out of the goodness of their heats. Intensive Arable crops make them a lot more money than low input animal agriculture. They are scared shitless of regenerative agriculture, as they would suddenly find themselves a little bit redundant.

 

[saltyduck]

Soya is grown in the UK but we could not produce enough to substitute meat here. It needs the warmer temps.