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- Lincolnshire
Can you get a grant for being a red faced “yeoman” farmer? That would do as far as I’m concerned. Cut to the chase. Never mind all the SFI stuff. I’m an endangered species!
For those farming less than 200 acres.
- Thread starter delilah
- Start date
Co2 was the enemy , until CF turned the tap off , now the govt are subbing production .
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- Mendips Somerset
probably been posted already , seems europe is doing similar to us
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European Parliament gives green light to huge farm subsidies deal
The European Parliament approved the biggest reform of farm subsidies in decades on Tuesday, in a vote that switches cash to smaller farms and rewards sustainable farming methods.
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Y Fan Wen
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What sort of farmers will that 70% consist of?
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- Mendips Somerset
ones that tow the line lol , problem is last few decades we are very good at wringing that last bit out of production (mainly due to supermarket pressure) so inputs maximised to get best yield,
now what ? lots of farms are geared up / financed for that type of production ,its the system thats been allowed to grow to keep food cheap and over supplied ,hence waste!
now to allow a lower stocking rate and or lower yields or quality is going to be very hard to get your head round ,unless that lost income can be passed down from the retail end , add to that a landlord that isnt going to be very happy when his gravy train ends of getting both the bsp and the rent . (and rents will need to fall )
gone up the hill
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- Devon
They will not have one hope in hell of getting 70% of farmers ( or land area ) in the new scheme with the way its being set up to be very complicated and with such pathetic low payment rates!
I think most farmers will chuck the scheme book in the bin and push every acre to the max production wise!
So my follow up question of that then @Janet Hughes Defra , is that if say, the RSPCA as an organisation had a 25ac farm that was eligible for BPS at present, and as such is a "farm", then is ALL the land in their ownership or management, eligible for SFI, or just that one "farm"?
Over complex schemes are counter productive in my view. More chance of a mistake or screw-up, which can then cost, Big Time.
The payment rates will need to be better than a bare income foregone.
So if Defra does not achieve 70% by 2028 the scheme will have failed but we are not told if it will be abandoned, in the mean time UK farmers will have been crucified in relation to the majority of it's competitors, sounds very much just the sort of scheme that shows what is thought of UK farmers contribution to this country in Whitehall!
Nearly
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- North of York
30% of farmers controlling 30% of the land will have said 'get stuffed' by the time the full scheme starts.
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- Montgomeryshire
probably been posted already , seems europe is doing similar to us
European Parliament gives green light to huge farm subsidies deal
The European Parliament approved the biggest reform of farm subsidies in decades on Tuesday, in a vote that switches cash to smaller farms and rewards sustainable farming methods.
You are kidding? They will still be paying 170 euros/ha (iirc), with the rest diverted to various ‘greening’ measures. That’s what our illustrious leaders opted for a decade ago!
Listening to the IFJ podcast while hedge cutting last week, some of these greening measures include committing to planting a certain number of trees (a few hedge plants) each year for the next 5 years, agreeing to cut hedges less frequently, grow some protein crops or herbal leys, etc.
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- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Which is exactly what was promised, just as soon as the shackles of the EU were thrown off.
Yeah, right.
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
probably been posted already , seems europe is doing similar to us
European Parliament gives green light to huge farm subsidies deal
The European Parliament approved the biggest reform of farm subsidies in decades on Tuesday, in a vote that switches cash to smaller farms and rewards sustainable farming methods.
Did you think Europe would do different? We are all part of the same continent and European economic system. When you look at UK agric policy and CAP in say three to four years there will be little difference. Leaving EU was irrelevant for the general directions of travel. Hey ho, c'est la vie.
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Does it not reflect more the Brexit Politicians in charge in the Tory Party. This is after all what you voted for in 2016. Suck it up and enjoy, as the phrase goes.
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Dr W now just remember a few days ago on the eternal Sugar Beet thread I did say ELMS would provide you with a payment to remain that working Farming Museum with pride of place for that epitome of UK engineering the mighty Standen Cyclone.
I think it reflects politicians of all parties who now don’t really give a damm for UK farmers, all they are interested in is who can be seen to be greenest, Tory, Labour or Lib Dem it makes very little difference!
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- Durham, UK
Iv yet to speak to a farmer who has anything remotely positive to say about the new scheme.
70%? Defra will be very lucky to get 7%.
I know from my own point of veiw it would be financial suicide to enter into such schemes.
GeorgeK
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- Leicestershire
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
We do need a reset of our food system, the present system produces food that is not nutrient dense, and food that is often ultra processed and too reliant on carbs and sugar. If we as a country do not change, we will become progressively fatter and even less healthy. How this change if it happens will affect farming, I am not sure, but I do know that if our food system does not change the future is pretty dire.