For those farming less than 200 acres.

[primmiemoo]

Gobsmacked that departments within DEFRA operate in micro isolation with little joined up thinking taking place..... surely this comes as no surprise to any of us by now?

I know. One tries to give benefit of the doubt, but...

 

[delilah]

They've been told they're ineligible for the pilot.
They put hours into the process, having been encouraged to apply following their being part of the earlier preparations, too.

I'm gobsmacked that defra knows who's in what scheme, knew that they'd registered an interest in the pilot, yet failed to flag up that they might not be eligible at the time of registering.

If told ineligible because in an existing scheme then they should pursue this. It is a certain fact that you can apply to be a pilot on any field/ parcel that isn't currently in CSS. Additionally I am told that they are letting you apply to be a pilot now on such eligible fields, and then add extra fields to your pilot once your css on those fields expires.

 

[topground]

Such is the level of distrust of DEFRA and their agencies they must be scratching around for participants in the trial.

 

[delilah]

Posted the attached elsewhere but just sticking it on here as it is - hopefully - most relevant to those farming less than 200 acres.

 

[Bossfarmer]

Is there a limit to the water buffer zone payments?

 

[delilah]

Is there a limit to the water buffer zone payments?

The current proposals are here.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/water-body-buffering-standard

edit: That paper is just my suggestion. Under it I would imagine that it could be oversubscribed, allowing Defra to target the funding available under that option to the best applications/ most sensitive water bodies.

 

[Bossfarmer]

The current proposals are here.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/water-body-buffering-standard

edit: That paper is just my suggestion. Under it I would imagine that it could be oversubscribed, allowing Defra to target the funding available under that option to the best applications/ most sensitive water bodies.

The payment rates are shocking £16/100m of margins so if i put a whole kilometer in i get £160?? Think id rather crop it thanks

 

[delilah]

The payment rates are shocking £16/100m of margins so if i put a whole kilometer in i get £160?? Think id rather crop it thanks

You need to multiply the payment for a metre by the width of your margin. And then halve that figure if you only farm one bank.

 

[farmerm]

The payment rates are shocking £16/100m of margins so if i put a whole kilometer in i get £160?? Think id rather crop it thanks

100m * 6m 600m2 0.6Ha =£160 or just £256/ha In reality its worse than that as unless its against a straight dyke one is going to straighten the cropped edge so whilst it might be 6m at its minimum margins will often be wider than this in places as the water course meanders.

You need to multiply the payment for a metre by the width of your margin. And then halve that figure if you only farm one bank.

I dont understand why the payment is per 100m not per ha like ELS, is margin for SFI not set at 6m width? only half of £256/ha if you only farm one bank, that's a hopeless figure

 

[delilah]

I dont understand why the payment is per 100m not per ha like ELS, is margin for SFI not set at 6m width? only half of £256/ha if you only farm one bank, that's a hopeless figure

Different minimum widths for the 3 different standards.
I've just re-read it and it doesn't actually say you have to halve your payment if you only farm one bank, it says you can only enter half of your length.
Which amounts to the same thing as halving it financially, but environmentally is completely nuts as it says have a margin on half your land, and then to make up your financial loss of productivity farm the other half as close to the bank as you can.

 

[Henarar]

Posted the attached elsewhere but just sticking it on here as it is - hopefully - most relevant to those farming less than 200 acres.

got to say that looks good
I would vote for you
with all PP, miles of hedges and streams
sit back time
now where is my old mate having a giggle

 

[delilah]

got to say that looks good
I would vote for you
with all PP, miles of hedges and streams
sit back time
now where is my old mate having a giggle

You would get full whack on your PP. The area on your farm is a known amount so Defra can make their calculations accordingly. Hedges and streams, it may end up being a competitive process so you may have to submit some evidence.
Which is absolutely fine. Everyone thus far has moaned that uptake of current proposals will be low. Lets make it attractive, get folks enthusiastic about putting in a good proposal rather than viewing it all with such pessimism.

 

[farmerm]

Different minimum widths for the 3 different standards.
I've just re-read it and it doesn't actually say you have to halve your payment if you only farm one bank, it says you can only enter half of your length.
Which amounts to the same thing as halving it financially, but environmentally is completely nuts as it says have a margin on half your land, and then to make up your financial loss of productivity farm the other half as close to the bank as you can.

yes complete nonsense!! They simply haven't learnt they need to keep it simple! The 3 standards for every option business is simply untenable.

 

[AndrewM]

You need to multiply the payment for a metre by the width of your margin. And then halve that figure if you only farm one bank.

Where does it say you multiply the payment by the width?

It does say for the basic £16 level the buffers only have to be on 50% of the claimable length

 

[delilah]

Where does it say you multiply the payment by the width?

It does say for the basic £16 level the buffers only have to be on 50% of the claimable length

It doesn't in as many words, I just take it that they mean the payments to be broadly comparable with what you can get under css, steps etc ?

 

[Nearly]

yes complete nonsense!! They simply haven't learnt they need to keep it simple! The 3 standards for every option business is simply untenable.

But how do they all retain their own jobs and pensions with that kind of thinking?

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

100m * 6m 600m2 0.6Ha =£160 or just £256/ha In reality its worse than that as unless its against a straight dyke one is going to straighten the cropped edge so whilst it might be 6m at its minimum margins will often be wider than this in places as the water course meanders.


I dont understand why the payment is per 100m not per ha like ELS, is margin for SFI not set at 6m width? only half of £256/ha if you only farm one bank, that's a hopeless figure

600m²is 0.06Ha, not 0.6Ha.

A hectare is 10,000m²

Just for clarity.

 

[delilah]

Suspect any confusion is my fault, I will email the sfi peeps and ask them to confirm what the £/Ha payment would be under their 3 water buffering standards.

 

[farmerm]

600m²is 0.06Ha, not 0.6Ha.

A hectare is 10,000m²

Just for clarity.

!! er Yes, well obviously I was just testing you all and it took 5 hours before anyone spotted my deliberate mistake...

100m * 6m 600m2 0.06Ha =£16 so £266/ha

 

[farmerm]

But how do they all retain their own jobs and pensions with that kind of thinking?

You mean people stay in those jobs? My impression has always been most of them most of the time are newly recruited and have yet to get to grips with their role!