Forage Wagon 32m³

[Wreckit Ralf]

Looking at moving into our own silage with the above sized wagon, our ground is relatively flat, a few slopes but nothing to get excited over. What would be the required HP for that size of wagon? Really like the T6.180 New Holland and Case Maxxum 150 with the Active8/Dynamic Command transmission but not sure if they'll be too light weight for the wagon when it's loaded, but assuming 150hp will be comfortable enough to run it?
Thanks.

 

[Weare Cham]

Looking at moving into our own silage with the above sized wagon, our ground is relatively flat, a few slopes but nothing to get excited over. What would be the required HP for that size of wagon? Really like the T6.180 New Holland and Case Maxxum 150 with the Active8/Dynamic Command transmission but not sure if they'll be too light weight for the wagon when it's loaded, but assuming 150hp will be comfortable enough to run it?
Thanks.

If its relatively flat they will be ok but a few more ponys on a wagon is always welcome.
I have pulled a tigo 50 with a tier4 T6.175

 

[james ds]

Looking at moving into our own silage with the above sized wagon, our ground is relatively flat, a few slopes but nothing to get excited over. What would be the required HP for that size of wagon? Really like the T6.180 New Holland and Case Maxxum 150 with the Active8/Dynamic Command transmission but not sure if they'll be too light weight for the wagon when it's loaded, but assuming 150hp will be comfortable enough to run it?
Thanks.

The more power , the more output , what wagon are you looking at.

 

[dowcow]

The more power , the more output , what wagon are you looking at.

I don't agree with this. A lot of smaller wagons aren't designed to take more power, and using a tractor with excess power could mean the wagon is more prone to failing along the drivetrain. You will benefit from weight on the tractor if dealing with wet grass, and power and a fast tractor will help on the road, but in the field the best thing for quicker filling is a decent swath.

I'm using a 120hp tractor pulling a 35m^3 on flat land, I feel another 20 or 30hp wouldn't go amiss certainly with wet grass.

 

[davidroberts30]

I don't agree with this. A lot of smaller wagons aren't designed to take more power, and using a tractor with excess power could mean the wagon is more prone to failing along the drivetrain. You will benefit from weight on the tractor if dealing with wet grass, and power and a fast tractor will help on the road, but in the field the best thing for quicker filling is a decent swath.

I'm using a 120hp tractor pulling a 35m^3 on flat land, I feel another 20 or 30hp wouldn't go amiss certainly with wet grass.

Cam clutch will only let the wagon take so much power so the more the better for output

 

[Orionn4444]

Looking at moving into our own silage with the above sized wagon, our ground is relatively flat, a few slopes but nothing to get excited over. What would be the required HP for that size of wagon? Really like the T6.180 New Holland and Case Maxxum 150 with the Active8/Dynamic Command transmission but not sure if they'll be too light weight for the wagon when it's loaded, but assuming 150hp will be comfortable enough to run it?
Thanks.

Have ran 28 and 32 cube wagons on a maxxum 145 and a t6.175, on some fairly decent hills, coped okay, more hp and size would have been nice but not necessary

 

[jackstor]

Ran a torro 5100 on 150hp 4 cylinder, handled it no bother. Wet grass/ wet ground is what saps the power. Weight wise it’s fine, you can pick and choose where to fill up so you needn’t drag full loads up or down steep bits. Just make sure you turn off the steering on the wagon on the road otherwise the tail will definitely wag the dog ?
A Vario is a big help to output as your always running at optimum forward speed

 

[Wreckit Ralf]

Have ran 28 and 32 cube wagons on a maxxum 145 and a t6.175, on some fairly decent hills, coped okay, more hp and size would have been nice but not necessary

Seen a contractor running his wagons (look slightly bigger than what I'm looking at ) on a pair of JD 155Rs and they looked like they were coping fine with them, but the 155R's have a bit of weight advantage over a T6/Maxxum.
Ideally I could get a 150-200hp T7/Puma sized tractor to run the wagon but other than a few days of lifting grass I have no need for that power the rest of the year.

 

[marco]

I ran that size for a good few years with a jd6820. If your just doing your own the tractors you have will work fine.

 

[jack_c]

Looking at moving into our own silage with the above sized wagon, our ground is relatively flat, a few slopes but nothing to get excited over. What would be the required HP for that size of wagon? Really like the T6.180 New Holland and Case Maxxum 150 with the Active8/Dynamic Command transmission but not sure if they'll be too light weight for the wagon when it's loaded, but assuming 150hp will be comfortable enough to run it?
Thanks.

We have a Pottinger Torro 4500 and run it with a Massey Ferguson 6615 with no issues.

Only thing missing would be load sensing hydraulics but not the end of the world.

Just have to be careful/sensible working on a hill but generally manages it with no problems.

Hope that helps?

 

[pappuller]

We have a new this year torro 5510 we haul it with a puma 140x, we have had power beyond fitted and first cut was uneventful, I think the 6cylinder adds the extra weight which helps

 

[dowcow]

It probably doesn't help that the different manufacturers use different ways of quoting their internal volumes. Some state it as the actual capacity and others quote it as the volume of grass you could compress into the wagon. Also, there are differences in build quality and design that can make some wagons a lot heavier than others of a similar size. I'm thinking some 32m^3 wagons might be fine on lighter midrange tractors, while others are going to feel unsafe on anything other than the larger series.

 

[james ds]

It probably doesn't help that the different manufacturers use different ways of quoting their internal volumes. Some state it as the actual capacity and others quote it as the volume of grass you could compress into the wagon. Also, there are differences in build quality and design that can make some wagons a lot heavier than others of a similar size. I'm thinking some 32m^3 wagons might be fine on lighter midrange tractors, while others are going to feel unsafe on anything other than the larger series.

What wagons are you thinking off .

 

[dowcow]

What wagons are you thinking off .

You can keep it within one brand and compare Pottinger's Faro to their Torro range. One is aimed at farmers, the other is aimed at contractors. Or is it the Jumbo that is built for contractors?

 

[Big P]

We run a Krone MX320 behind a 6195r. We have some steep hills and wouldn't fancy having it on anything less for them, but for the flatter land our 145r would cope no bother. As for anyone saying about brands, we had a few on demo and all made much of a similar job. Pottinger would have been the preferred choice, but only because of the number out in the local area. Unfortunately the dealer pulled a bit of a stunt on us with the demo machine. Claas was a poor demo, left a lot on the floor, but was badly set up. Taarup was as good but way out on price. Krone was the best spec and price at the time. We've since ran it against a Strautman, and when both emptied into the pit, there was o difference between the grass.

 

[freelancer]

I agree, we run Krone 320 GD on flat area on JD 6930 (160 HP on PTO). Yesterday Tractor was stoped cause of broken oil pipe, we took our old JD 6506 (105 HP). Very much to our surprise working was possible, but the pit has to bee low or assistence from the pitwork tractor is needed.

 

[james ds]

You can keep it within one brand and compare Pottinger's Faro to their Torro range. One is aimed at farmers, the other is aimed at contractors. Or is it the Jumbo that is built for contractors?

 

[james ds]

The torro are a great machine , well able for hirework and easy pulled on hilly ground, I have 2 jumbos that take a bit of extra care on hilly ground , they are heavy and bring a huge load , but need experience on hilly ground. The jumbo 7210 I have is 11 ton empty and carries 25 ton of grass.

 

[Barmyfarmer]

What weight of grass, 30-35%dm does a 32m3 wagon hold?

 

[Flyingscotsman]

As a rule - grass weighs around 600kg/cube @ 25% dm.