Forage wagon road distance

[Blue.]

Thats more like what i was after but ideally somone averaging 3.5 miles. the wagons doing yours hold 16 tonnes of grass? what size wagon? they seem to work in m3. All i'm trying to do is work out roughly how long it would take to get an idea of cost. at least the team on the acre you know what the bill is going to be before you start.



so 2 loads an hour or so, what sort of tonnes per acre crop? and how many tonnes or acres per load in what size wagon?

6t/acre so x2 acres a load,torro 4500 with 270hp on the front,power makes a difference I get near a ton more in with more power on the front.

 

[davidroberts30]

6t/acre so x2 acres a load,torro 4500 with 270hp on the front,power makes a difference I get near a ton more in with more power on the front.

I'm running a 50 cube with 200hp and guess to 12t a load
But all depends on DM

 

[Wesley]

Its years since we used a wagon but I’d imagine the costs have gone up in relative proportions. At the time 3 miles of good road was the cut off point cost wise between a Fendt 930 & Jumbo 6600 or a SPFH.

 

[ploughman1963]

will be the worse silage you‘ve ever made if you don’t have someone on rolling, wagon grass takes twice as long to buckrake as SPFH if you want it tidy.

I dont know at what stage you cut your grass but on our multi-cut (every 28-30day) system, the grass takes no moving or levelling as its all chopped to around 30-40mm - I just want time to roll it properly - just as I would if it were out of a SPFH

 

[ploughman1963]

Its years since we used a wagon but I’d imagine the costs have gone up in relative proportions. At the time 3 miles of good road was the cut off point cost wise between a Fendt 930 & Jumbo 6600 or a SPFH.

I guess you mean a longer haul is now possibly more economic since the biggest relative difference is fuel consumption (?) then as fuel price rises the gap can only widen between SPFH and wagon.

 

[Moorlands]

We use 4 wagons to clear a long haul, shy of an hour round trip with a lot of traffic/middle of town to pass through!
wagaons on this just make sense because everyone is looking after themselves 2 arrive back to field together they just crack on with loading had times when all 4 wagons have pretty much landed back to clamp together we have plenty space so they just all get tipped and get on there way again simple
There also carry a lot more grass than your average trailer!

 

[Wesley]

I guess you mean a longer haul is now possibly more economic since the biggest relative difference is fuel consumption (?) then as fuel price rises the gap can only widen between SPFH and wagon.

I think the biggest problem with distance is the high hourly rates running the roads, especially when empty. It also increases the cost per acre of the buckrake.

 

[Scholsey]

I dont know at what stage you cut your grass but on our multi-cut (every 28-30day) system, the grass takes no moving or levelling as its all chopped to around 30-40mm - I just want time to roll it properly - just as I would if it were out of a SPFH

Was more to do with the levelling and rolling, a reverse drive Valtra with buckrake can keep up easily with 3 trailers lugging from a 970 jag whereas it would be in a world of trouble if had 3 wagons coming in at it which would be a comparable speed.

 

[Keep On]

We will be cutting next week for first cut,would 3 wagons be to much for a 320 on the pit? Half is round the yard other half is not but nothing more than a mile away.

I’d have 2 buckrakes and someone rolling. Clamp man will get bogged down on his own and then you’ll have wagons queuing which at £350/hr is character building.

 

[ploughman1963]

I think the biggest problem with distance is the high hourly rates running the roads, especially when empty. It also increases the cost per acre of the buckrake.

But surely if the breakeven point was 3 miles for you, as fuel prices have gone up, the gap between SPFH gang and wagon has now widened even further in favour of the wagon meaning that the break even point in comparison is now perhaps 3.5 miles. Do you not have to look at the overall cost rather than focussing on one part of the forage wagon system costs?
On a cost per tonne basis, the buckrake not being pushed will make little difference but if he is rolling in the extra time he has between loads it will be the best money you spend that day.

 

[vantage]

435s be a better option then?

And a silopacter and the silage will be great.

 

[Blue.]

I'm running a 50 cube with 200hp and guess to 12t a load
But all depends on DM

I had 10t in one year and it was like hay,was handy because the field was next door to a farm with a weigh bridge,should have my weigh bridge in before 1st cut.

 

[Lewis]

Anybody know what happened to the Irish bloke who had the pottinger with the wheels the hole width of the machine . Like a super float machine. Pretty sure he was call agrarian or something.

Always enjoyed reading his posts.

 

[ollie989898]

But surely if the breakeven point was 3 miles for you, as fuel prices have gone up, the gap between SPFH gang and wagon has now widened even further in favour of the wagon meaning that the break even point in comparison is now perhaps 3.5 miles. Do you not have to look at the overall cost rather than focussing on one part of the forage wagon system costs?
On a cost per tonne basis, the buckrake not being pushed will make little difference but if he is rolling in the extra time he has between loads it will be the best money you spend that day.

With all the fields within a reasonable distance of the yard and only modest road miles, how long would you say it would take to lift 300 acres of heavy first cut with wagons? Say 3 or 4 of them?

 

[Conrod96]

With all the fields within a reasonable distance of the yard and only modest road miles, how long would you say it would take to lift 300 acres of heavy first cut with wagons? Say 3 or 4 of them?

I’d love to know the answer to that question too but think it’s a bit like asking how long a piece of string is.

we cut 320 acre with 180 of that being within 3 miles of the yard another 100 acre about 4.5 mile away and another 40 acre 6 mile away cutting about a 5T to the acre crop fresh weight

 

[MrA.G.]

Anybody know what happened to the Irish bloke who had the pottinger with the wheels the hole width of the machine . Like a super float machine. Pretty sure he was call agrarian or something.

Always enjoyed reading his posts.

@The Agrarian

He’s still here

 

[ollie989898]

I’d love to know the answer to that question too but think it’s a bit like asking how long a piece of string is.

we cut 320 acre with 180 of that being within 3 miles of the yard another 100 acre about 4.5 mile away and another 40 acre 6 mile away cutting about a 5T to the acre crop fresh weight

How long does your 320 acre job take? I'm all in favour of wagon silage but not if it means having grass on the deck for 5 or 6 days at a time.

 

[vantage]

How long does your 320 acre job take? I'm all in favour of wagon silage but not if it means having grass on the deck for 5 or 6 days at a time.

Many wagons make light work!

 

[Conrod96]

How long does your 320 acre job take? I'm all in favour of wagon silage but not if it means having grass on the deck for 5 or 6 days at a time.

Usually 3 days, from they start mowing to it’s all in the pit
Wouldn’t contemplate starting the job without 3 or 4 wagons tbh

 

[In the pit]

What sort of time length should grass be on the floor for??