Ford Ranger - Oil dilution

My 307 was going perfect before filling up at Tesco afterwards it was a heap of shite , don't say it needed service because just before it had full service at a cost of £24
Looks like we beg to differ over this issue
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
My 307 was going perfect before filling up at Tesco afterwards it was a heap of shite , don't say it needed service because just before it had full service at a cost of £24
Looks like we beg to differ over this issue
Millions of people who use supermarket branded fuel daily would beg to differ with you. Your diagnosis is probably mistaken, especially if you only filled up once yet your car never ran the same again, even on your regular fuel.
It is totally up to you where you fill up and fuel stations will vary more than the brand in most cases. I've no doubt that there may be the occasional iffy batch of fuel, but that is the case with all brands, not limited to supermarkets. As I said previously I have had a couple of loads of imported fuel that had more water in them than I felt was acceptable, especially since I've had zero detectable water ever from Stanlow whether under Shell's ownership or Essar's.
 

Timbo

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Location
Gods County
20 miles is not a short journey. My Ranger hasn't done a journey of more that 12 miles in at least three years, since eighteen months before Carmarthen mart closed. Not had a single issue with regen and its now seven years old with 70,000 miles of short journeys and cold starts. Lots of towing but only seven miles before a stop to load/unload. Lots of fetching cows from the field to milk and lots and lots of one mile journeys to where my brother and Ranger live. It is a farm truck not a tarmac farmer's truck.

Oddly my older Ford 2.2 turbo in my 2014 Ranger doesn't use much late injection for DPF regeneration but has an 'evaporator' or fifth injector in the exhaust in front of the DPF to super-heat the DPF. Never had the slightest diesel contamination of the sump oil in this engine.

With a 5th injector, there is no post injection and thus no possibility of oil dilution. It's the proper right way to do things regards DPF regen.
 
I have just googled supermarket fuel and all fuels have to meet a minimum standard but supermarkets do skimp on additives that's why they are able to sell a few pence cheaper ,the biggest majority of vehicles run ok on supermarket fuel but I doubt very much I and my relative and the lady with smoking focus working at Tesco in Newtown are the only ones with problems
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I have just googled supermarket fuel and all fuels have to meet a minimum standard but supermarkets do skimp on additives that's why they are able to sell a few pence cheaper ,the biggest majority of vehicles run ok on supermarket fuel but I doubt very much I and my relative and the lady with smoking focus working at Tesco in Newtown are the only ones with problems
They don't skimp on a single thing. They supply diesel that meets EN590 standard, just like every other brand. They sell cheaper because they want you to shop at the supermarket, they buy massive volumes of fuel and they take a reasonable margin. They do not charge the same everywhere and like all others they adjust their price according to the competition in the area, usually though not always undercutting them.
I also doubt very much indeed that the only ones with old cars having problems with their engines buy fuel from supermarkets. All engines should run on EN590 fuel. Some older vehicles may have issues with the 7% biodiesel content, which is compulsory, mainly with leaking seals, but that is common to all brands.
Some brands offer a premium additive package, but that is usually as an alternative for those customers that are willing to pay about 5ppl extra on top of their standard fuel price for whatever reason.

The only diesel that did not meet EN590 DERV standard was Gasoil. Be aware that all supermarket fuel has additives included, not just Shell and BP and so on. They all have their proprietary additive package but it is all usually made for them by specialist companies like Infinium, Lubrizol, BASF and Total. There are a few others.
 
I am only repeating what it said on google and what the guy who has been in the motor trade all his life and has got to be one of the biggest independent dealers in the country and that is supermarkets skimp on additives to keep cost down.... I was going to say something else but I won't but I will repeat that my 307 was going good before I put Tesco diesel in but never went as good after even when fuel filter was changed
 

Qman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Derby
I know branded fuel is better than supermarket fuel and I don't care what the BFF experts think. I've never noticed my Defender (20014) or my BMW (2015) regenerate at all and haven't had to change the oil early. I use Shell or BP super nitro ultimate diesel.

Just before the slag offs...a friend with a Disco Sport was always having trouble and having to change the oil, I advised BP Ultimate and he hasn't had any trouble since.
 
I know branded fuel is better than supermarket fuel and I don't care what the BFF experts think. I've never noticed my Defender (20014) or my BMW (2015) regenerate at all and haven't had to change the oil early. I use Shell or BP super nitro ultimate diesel.

Just before the slag offs...a friend with a Disco Sport was always having trouble and having to change the oil, I advised BP Ultimate and he hasn't had any trouble since.
I only use the premium diesel as well and have no fuel related issues. But its not that supermarkets don't put additives in that is the difference it's that i happily pay the extra for a fuel with extra additives added.
 

H200GT

Member
Location
NORTH WALES
IMO it all comes from the same tanks at the nearest port / oil refinery / storage depot regardless of customer. Quite simply, why would any “premium brand” add additives at a cost when the fuel meets the specification required when they want maximum profits?

What garage you by the fuel from can make a difference, one fairly local has been known at times for water in fuel, but thats down to the garage as opposed to the source of the fuel.
 
IMO it all comes from the same tanks at the nearest port / oil refinery / storage depot regardless of customer. Quite simply, why would any “premium brand” add additives at a cost when the fuel meets the specification required when they want maximum profits?

What garage you by the fuel from can make a difference, one fairly local has been known at times for water in fuel, but thats down to the garage as opposed to the source of the fuel.
They don't add additives at a cost though you pay more for it 🤦
 

H200GT

Member
Location
NORTH WALES
They don't add additives at a cost though you pay more for it 🤦

In premium fuels such as shell V power, I agree, but they are usually 5-10ppl more than standard grade.

All standard grade fuels will be the same if collected from same refinery/ storage depot. Shell / esso or whoever wont add an additive at a cost to a fuel that already meets the standard, why would they?
 

br jones

Member
My Chieftan tank wouldn't run right on Sainsbury's Fuel. I googled it and a chap said to add some Kero. It ran better but produced a lot of smoke.

Likewise I bought an ex US Appache Gunship that was in the local paper. That never ran right on Asda Fuel.
did you have to make a trailer to get it home ?
 

Jim G

Member
Location
Staffordshire
I've asked Ford about the injectors, and they say it is not on the list. It was registered 2 weeks after the end of the production window where the faulty injectors were used. It must've been built a good while before it was registered? As for the oil dilution recall, they just say there are no recalls on it.

I've always filled up with standard Esso, so I'll try some of the premium Shell and give it another go.
 
I've asked Ford about the injectors, and they say it is not on the list. It was registered 2 weeks after the end of the production window where the faulty injectors were used. It must've been built a good while before it was registered? As for the oil dilution recall, they just say there are no recalls on it.

I've always filled up with standard Esso, so I'll try some of the premium Shell and give it another go.
There's nowt wrong with standard esso diesel imo in fact i think its the best of the standard pump diesels. I don't think fuel is you're issue tbh its something else like injectors.
 

Jim G

Member
Location
Staffordshire
There's nowt wrong with standard esso diesel imo in fact i think its the best of the standard pump diesels. I don't think fuel is you're issue tbh its something else like injectors.
I think the same tbh, but ford and the dealers have closed ranks and say there isn't a problem. I've made a complaint to ford that their response is a load of bull, and there must be a problem. Will have to see how it goes
 

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