Ford Ranger - Oil dilution

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It must've been built a good while before it was registered?

Have you tried decoding the VIN? It might shed some more light on when it was built. Maybe.

 

[balerman]

I think the same tbh, but ford and the dealers have closed ranks and say there isn't a problem. I've made a complaint to ford that their response is a load of bull, and there must be a problem. Will have to see how it goes

Those engines are a disgrace and will cost Ford a lot of sales eventually.I know of loads of transits scrapped at 6 or 7 years old cos they need new engines at a cost of about £6k and it’s not worth doing.

 

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Those engines are a disgrace and will cost Ford a lot of sales eventually.I know of loads of transits scrapped at 6 or 7 years old cos they need new engines at a cost of about £6k and it’s not worth doing.

They're lucky the engines lasted that long TBH.

 

[Cowabunga]

Those engines are a disgrace and will cost Ford a lot of sales eventually.I know of loads of transits scrapped at 6 or 7 years old cos they need new engines at a cost of about £6k and it’s not worth doing.

Yes there are thousands of them, mainly early builds of the 2.0 wet belt Diesel engines are laid up due to failed engines nationwide, let alone worldwide. Most have either melted pistons or are seized to an internal belt failure causing catastrophic damage.
Ford are bluffing their way through it just as they tried and largely succeeded in doing with their 'Powershít' DCT transmissions.

What brand of vehicle has a truly ethical and efficient service where they stand by their products these days without being forced to by legal means? I can't honestly think of one. You can instantly rule out the big players like Ford, GM, VAG, BMW, Toyota, Mercedes or especially JLR. They only care about keeping things quiet to safeguard their 'image'.

 

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What brand of vehicle has a truly ethical and efficient service where they stand by their products these days without being forced to by legal means? I can't honestly think of one. You can instantly rule out the big players like Ford, GM, VAG, BMW, Toyota, Mercedes or especially JLR. They only care about keeping things quiet to safeguard their 'image'.

I've been impressed with the way Isuzu look after their D-Max customers. In the local market at least, not sure about internationally.

Generally speaking though, there's a huge difference between individual dealers, irrespective of what brand they're peddling. Some will push a vehicle through for warranty work and bend over backwards for the customer, sometimes at their own cost. Others will happily throw the customer under the bus to appease the powers at be/manufacturer and just play along with the bulls**t narrative that "it's meant to be like that".

 

[NZ Tech]

Are they certain the hpcr pump seal isnt weaping and diesel getting into the engine oil. Get an engine oil sample kit from cat or Deere and send a sample off and that will tell you if it's getting diluted by fuel.

Hi all,

I was just after a few opinions regarding a problem I've got with my Ford Ranger. I feel like the dealer and Ford are taking the mick, but I aren't getting anywhere.

It came up with a "Powertrain malfunction / reduced power" message in July, so took it to the dealer who said it needed an oil change. I thought fair enough, and had it done. It came up again in mid September, so took it back and they want to change the oil again at my expense. Its only done 1300 miles since the last change.

I drive 15-20 miles everyday, more than half of which is at 50 to 60 mph. They are telling me these are short journeys and I should expect increased oil changes...

I'm pretty annoyed with it, but is it just the way they are? I'm not getting anywhere with them as it is

 

[Sebastian77]

Those engines are a disgrace and will cost Ford a lot of sales eventually.I know of loads of transits scrapped at 6 or 7 years old cos they need new engines at a cost of about £6k and it’s not worth doing.

Actually 6k for a new engine in a 6 year old van would be worth doing if you are a mechanic with time. They fetch easily 10k+ if it's been well looked after. Our work just sent back 4 transits at the end of the 3 year lease with 120-150k on each and I've spotted them up for sale for 9999-12999, and will 100% sell.

My own personal 2018 LWB Dual cab with 80k mileage was valued by business insurers at 15k for insurance purposes, If engine went it would get a new one at that price.

 

[PSQ]

What brand of vehicle has a truly ethical and efficient service where they stand by their products these days without being forced to by legal means? I can't honestly think of one. You can instantly rule out the big players like Ford, GM, VAG, BMW, Toyota, Mercedes or especially JLR. They only care about keeping things quiet to safeguard their 'image'.

Kia, with their 7 year warranty.
Having owned a couple, it makes you realise that if Kia can design and build their vehicles to last, and have faith in their own product to offer an excellent warranty, why doesn’t any other manufacturer?
(Going for a test drive in an EV6 next week, seriously considering an EV6 GT )

 

[Cowabunga]

Kia, with their 7 year warranty.
Having owned a couple, it makes you realise that if Kia can design and build their vehicles to last, and have faith in their own product to offer an excellent warranty, why doesn’t any other manufacturer?
(Going for a test drive in an EV6 next week, seriously considering an EV6 GT )

My latest car is a Kia Sorento diesel. It is seriously good but I don't think it will be as reliable long term as the warranty is designed to suggest. It might be, but it is a complex vehicle and I can't see that Kia has a stellar reliability reputation. Having said that, mine is as well built as any vehicle I've had and better than most. It is in every inch as good in every way as my previous Volvo XC90 and is faultless so far at nearly a year old.
Mileage is lower than anticipated though, due entirely to the national health situation.

My next car will probably be an EV6 or ModelY, but there's nearly two years before I need to consider that choice. By which time there may be more choices or my situation might change in unforeseeable ways.

 

[Om352]

Had a new Mazda 2.2 diesel throw up an oil warning light around 5000km.Rang the dealer and was informed that it would be OK to drive but to bring it in for a check a few days later. The workshop manager told me that there was a small amount of fuel in the engine oil caused by an incomplete regen. When I quizzed him about how this could happen he said that a fifth injector in exhaust stream was allowing fuel into sump! Couldn't understand how that could possibly be and got oil tested. Very contaminated and showed them the report. When they know you're serious it works wonders. It was sorted and later a failed turbo replaced without charge even though it was out of warranty for a few months.

 

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Had a new Mazda 2.2 diesel throw up an oil warning light around 5000km.Rang the dealer and was informed that it would be OK to drive but to bring it in for a check a few days later. The workshop manager told me that there was a small amount of fuel in the engine oil caused by an incomplete regen. When I quizzed him about how this could happen he said that a fifth injector in exhaust stream was allowing fuel into sump! Couldn't understand how that could possibly be and got oil tested. Very contaminated and showed them the report. When they know you're serious it works wonders. It was sorted and later a failed turbo replaced without charge even though it was out of warranty for a few months.

What was wrong with it?

 

[Om352]

What was wrong with it?

Never could get a definite answer other than them admitting that unburnt fuel was washing past one piston during regen. I'm no expert but the 5th injector excuse seemed to disappear from the discussion. Went fine from that time on and they did look after the problem which seems to be not just an issue with one manufacturer.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Yes there are thousands of them, mainly early builds of the 2.0 wet belt Diesel engines are laid up due to failed engines nationwide, let alone worldwide. Most have either melted pistons or are seized to an internal belt failure causing catastrophic damage.
Ford are bluffing their way through it just as they tried and largely succeeded in doing with their 'Powershít' DCT transmissions.

What brand of vehicle has a truly ethical and efficient service where they stand by their products these days without being forced to by legal means? I can't honestly think of one. You can instantly rule out the big players like Ford, GM, VAG, BMW, Toyota, Mercedes or especially JLR. They only care about keeping things quiet to safeguard their 'image'.

Very true
Early belt changes are paramount

 

[Timbo]

Had a new Mazda 2.2 diesel throw up an oil warning light around 5000km.Rang the dealer and was informed that it would be OK to drive but to bring it in for a check a few days later. The workshop manager told me that there was a small amount of fuel in the engine oil caused by an incomplete regen. When I quizzed him about how this could happen he said that a fifth injector in exhaust stream was allowing fuel into sump! Couldn't understand how that could possibly be and got oil tested. Very contaminated and showed them the report. When they know you're serious it works wonders. It was sorted and later a failed turbo replaced without charge even though it was out of warranty for a few months.

2.2 Mazda does not use a 5th injector and oil dilution & knocking bearings are pretty common with them.

 

[Cowabunga]

Very true
Early belt changes are paramount

There is now, currently, a recall on these engines, certainly in Transit, to upgrade these timing belts, which are extraordinarily narrow from the factory. Hopefully Ranger will be included in this recall, not left out as they did with the oil pump.
I remember more about how they fail now, with the valves being hit by the pistons and turning the camshaft lobes on the shaft itself. The camshafts have to be replaced as a factory pre-assembled set because they cannot be removed from the carrier and bearings [they don’t have actual bearings, but that’s another story]. Yes, the lobes are not cast as part of the shaft but are separate parts that are fitted using temperature difference to shrink them tight on the shaft. There is no precise location lug or anything holding them to the shaft other than friction.

I’m not criticising that design at all. I actually think it is rather good and an efficient engineering solution. However someone needs a reprimand for the failing timing belts. They were originally touted as being good for 200,000 miles if I remember correctly, yet they fail in droves at random miles.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

There is now, currently, a recall on these engines, certainly in Transit, to upgrade these timing belts, which are extraordinarily narrow from the factory. Hopefully Ranger will be included in this recall, not left out as they did with the oil pump.
I remember more about how they fail now, with the valves being hit by the pistons and turning the camshaft lobes on the shaft itself. The camshafts have to be replaced as a factory pre-assembled set because they cannot be removed from the carrier and bearings [they don’t have actual bearings, but that’s another story]. Yes, the lobes are not cast as part of the shaft but are separate parts that are fitted using temperature difference to shrink them tight on the shaft. There is no precise location lug or anything holding them to the shaft other than friction.

I’m not criticising that design at all. I actually think it is rather good and an efficient engineering solution. However someone needs a reprimand for the failing timing belts. They were originally touted as being good for 200,000 miles if I remember correctly, yet they fail in droves at random miles.

Thanks

 

[Cowabunga]

I surmise that the reason for so many being unable to be started after replacing a broken belt is because they didn’t see damage to the camshafts or valves and therefore didn’t realise that some of the lobes had been forced out of timing on the shafts. They all need new cam sets after failure.