Foreign aid reduction.

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Is anyone watching newsnight is currently giving the govt a good run for the proposed reduction in foreign aid. How much more can the tax payers of this country be expected to take?
 

Lowland1

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its a shame newsnight no longer represents the general public
News night has never represented the general public they watch Eastenders or Coronation Street or Strictly . The general public generally aren’t very bright and are pretty selfish. Just election fodder wake them up every five years and point them in the direction you want them to go a bit like sheep but not quite as sensible.
 
News night has never represented the general public they watch Eastenders or Coronation Street or Strictly . The general public generally aren’t very bright and are pretty selfish. Just election fodder wake them up every five years and point them in the direction you want them to go a bit like sheep but not quite as sensible.
except they the general public dont go were they are directed any more, and it has progressed from what was seen as impartial in depth news programme to pushing a political stance ,and to their chagrin after all their effort the public keep giving the govt electoral victories
 

Lowland1

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except they the general public dont go were they are directed any more, and it has progressed from what was seen as impartial in depth news programme to pushing a political stance ,and to their chagrin after all their effort the public keep giving the govt electoral victories
I think Covid has shown that the general public do as they are told especially when there is a bit of short term cash thrown about. The BBC contrary to what most on here believe is a tool of the State during Covid at no time have they put forward an alternative view or encouraged any discussion on the measures the Government have put forward. If you think that the BBC is anti farming and pro environmental groups you’d be right but that’s because its owner ( UK Government) is as well.
 

BrianV

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News night has never represented the general public they watch Eastenders or Coronation Street or Strictly . The general public generally aren’t very bright and are pretty selfish. Just election fodder wake them up every five years and point them in the direction you want them to go a bit like sheep but not quite as sensible.
Actually the general public are in the main far more sensible then TV & politicians believe, they recognise bull sh!t & usually vote for the least worst option!
 
I think Covid has shown that the general public do as they are told especially when there is a bit of short term cash thrown about. The BBC contrary to what most on here believe is a tool of the State during Covid at no time have they put forward an alternative view or encouraged any discussion on the measures the Government have put forward. If you think that the BBC is anti farming and pro environmental groups you’d be right but that’s because its owner ( UK Government) is as well.
covid is a pandemic of course people are likely to do as they are told, bbc has had only one stance on the govts covid measures, its highly critical of the govt that it hasnt gone far enough with restrictions,that has been the only message on all msm
bbc like other tv news is staffed by metropolitan liberals and their views are out of touch with greater parts of the electorate as is much of the political system, hence their surprise govt keeps winning even after their best efforts
im not sure the bbc is anti farming it doesnt represent it for sure, but then it only represents a part of the population
is the govt anti farming?
 

BrianV

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covid is a pandemic of course people are likely to do as they are told, bbc has had only one stance on the govts covid measures, its highly critical of the govt that it hasnt gone far enough with restrictions,that has been the only message on all msm
bbc like other tv news is staffed by metropolitan liberals and their views are out of touch with greater parts of the electorate as is much of the political system, hence their surprise govt keeps winning even after their best efforts
im not sure the bbc is anti farming it doesnt represent it for sure, but then it only represents a part of the population
is the govt anti farming?
Governments now have no principles, where they can gain most votes is the only thing that maters!
 

Lowland1

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Recent Governments from the start of the Blair regime have got cleverer and rather than implementing policies that are unpopular to the voting public but beneficial to the country they use a strategy that follows public opinion whilst actually appearing to be leading it. Covid and the original herd immunity plan could have been a case where this was not true but unfortunately Boris et al got cold feet and backed away from this when the masses got worried about they and granny dying. They then took up socialism because the truth of it is that’s what the masses want ie. They aren’t keen on working but are quite keen for the state to look after them forget free healthcare and education now people want to be paid to stay at home ( well actually just paid to do not to work because they like to go to the beach and walks into the country ) Still if you give taxpayers money to the darkies who is going to pay you to stay home and stay safe.
I actually believe that ill judged foreign aid causes more harm than good but the issue here is not that so much as the poor old starving, hard pressed UK population.
 
Recent Governments from the start of the Blair regime have got cleverer and rather than implementing policies that are unpopular to the voting public but beneficial to the country they use a strategy that follows public opinion whilst actually appearing to be leading it. Covid and the original herd immunity plan could have been a case where this was not true but unfortunately Boris et al got cold feet and backed away from this when the masses got worried about they and granny dying. They then took up socialism because the truth of it is that’s what the masses want ie. They aren’t keen on working but are quite keen for the state to look after them forget free healthcare and education now people want to be paid to stay at home ( well actually just paid to do not to work because they like to go to the beach and walks into the country ) Still if you give taxpayers money to the darkies who is going to pay you to stay home and stay safe.
I actually believe that ill judged foreign aid causes more harm than good but the issue here is not that so much as the poor old starving, hard pressed UK population.
id say it was more "expert "led than public,they opted for herd then panicked over projections from the models ,and theres been enough deaths and full hospitals on the news to make the public accept the measures
 

Muck Spreader

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I would reduce the foreign aid budget for sure. We are already sending military assistance to the middle east, this costs a bomb and we are also donating medical supplies and vaccines to other parts of the world. We are doing our bit and I don't believe hordes of foreign currency ever get used appropriately anyway.

Foreign aid is, and always has been a very good way of getting subsidised UK products and knowledge into developing counties and tying them into UK expertise. With the right projects its money very well spent for both parties. After all, you don't think the Chinese are just doing these massive projects out of ultraism?
 
Foreign aid is, and always has been a very good way of getting subsidised UK products and knowledge into developing counties and tying them into UK expertise. With the right projects its money very well spent for both parties. After all, you don't think the Chinese are just doing these massive projects out of ultraism?
was probably ,more recently it seems to fund ngo gravy trains
 

Lowland1

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id say it was more "expert "led than public,they opted for herd then panicked over projections from the models ,and theres been enough deaths and full hospitals on the news to make the public accept the measures
Experts give advice policy is implemented by Governments. When Cummins was giving his evidence the other day his emphasis was on the deaths caused by policy rather than economic damage because he knew what public opinion considered important.
 
Experts give advice policy is implemented by Governments. When Cummins was giving his evidence the other day his emphasis was on the deaths caused by policy rather than economic damage because he knew what public opinion considered important.
cumming had a score to settle ,govt policy was based on the expert advice from what ive seen,which was herd immunity until they saw the projections of deaths, it was experts that advised sporting events should go ahead and lockdowns shouldnt be premature as the public would soon lose compliance ,in hindsight that was all incorrect
 

Lowland1

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cumming had a score to settle ,govt policy was based on the expert advice from what ive seen,which was herd immunity until they saw the projections of deaths, it was experts that advised sporting events should go ahead and lockdowns shouldnt be premature as the public would soon lose compliance ,in hindsight that was all incorrect
The Government chose what advise to follow there was plenty of advise contrary to that the Government chose to take however once a path was taken no dissent was allowed except the nutters talking about 5g masts etc even though a lot of scientists from places like Kings College or Cambridge had different ideas on which path to take.
Anyway James how goes it on the farm today? Or are you just taking time out to push Boris’s message?
 

BrianV

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id say it was more "expert "led than public,they opted for herd then panicked over projections from the models ,and theres been enough deaths and full hospitals on the news to make the public accept the measures
Politics is now led at least where the Tories are concerned by narrow based focus groups often city based, what's right for the country now counts for nothing, Blair was bad enough but the real rot started with Cameron!
 
The Government chose what advise to follow there was plenty of advise contrary to that the Government chose to take however once a path was taken no dissent was allowed except the nutters talking about 5g masts etc even though a lot of scientists from places like Kings College or Cambridge had different ideas on which path to take.
Anyway James how goes it on the farm today? Or are you just taking time out to push Boris’s message?
its not so clear that the no dissent was govt or media /"expert"coalition,though i would agree apart from govt line or going even further down that road theres been little other voices or alternatives,especially as it is most seems to have been ineffective in any case,
weve only a small holding now the farm as such finished in the early 90s as many small farms did in the 80s and 90s, i grow potatoes and various veg,unfortunately not brassicas or peas as pigeons wont allow it,mainly as i enjoy it i missed not working the land ,thank you for asking:)
 
Politics is now led at least where the Tories are concerned by narrow based focus groups often city based, what's right for the country now counts for nothing, Blair was bad enough but the real rot started with Cameron!
id have thought that more labours issue,considering previous govts id think the country stands more chance than it did, the last time agriculture or fishing had any clout was pre eu in the 70s
 

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