then the ticket is completely pointless
fork lift test 5 days !
- Thread starter Boomerang
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Surely the instructor/examiner has to test/teach in the safest of operation.... No one can argue it safer to use the hydraulics without the handbrake being applied. Wether it practical is not relevant. There has to be a standard set. You will never all agree on the standard as every operation and farm is different. But a standard must be set.
Sorry to be boring . The comment about going from a 12m boom to a 40m agrifac. Well thats true too. Howver given the value of the machine and product going through it then the owner of both really is responsible to ensure adequate operator training is available.
Sorry to be boring . The comment about going from a 12m boom to a 40m agrifac. Well thats true too. Howver given the value of the machine and product going through it then the owner of both really is responsible to ensure adequate operator training is available.
What a load of tosh.....
that will apply to anything then no one is going to put a untrained operator in a 500k crane are they
Lakesdigger
Member
And this is why we are in the sad place we are with health and safety and arse covering where it has gone to far. Unfortunately an awful lot of people are jointly to blame. I've no problem with training and tickets as such but it needs to fit how machinery works and is used. Whoever thought handbrake on before you can use hydraulics wants ran over with a forklift.
why? please explain
Well for a start, out in the real world whether it be loading grain, or unloading timber at Jewsons, forklifts will be using the hydraulics and moving at the same time. It's what they were designed for.
Secondly " given the value of the product going through it " , really ? You think agricultural produce pegged at 1950's prices is " valuable " ? Don't make me laugh.
I don't know whether you like winding folks up or what, but you are getting close to being put on ignore.
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- Hereford
.....and you managed to get the '1970s' prices in as well ......top marks !!!
Errrmmm............1950's
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- Hereford
My point on t he value of product going through it. If you re read it will see its realted to the chemical going through a sprayer. I dont enjoy winding up. I do enjoy creating debate and questioning things. If you also go back through my posts you will see i dont agree with the test and how its carried out. I also dont drive one like that myself. I was pointing out the test has to be a standard .
ollie989898
Member
So you are promoting the safe use of a machine using methods that simply cannot be used in the real world as they aren't practical.
i'm not promoting. Re read my post. When i did my ticket way back in 2002 the examiner turned up as we were loading a grain lorry with the farm JCB 520 (i think) . We were both using crab steer and moving with boom out an using hydraulics while moving. I still drive like this today. He said i can see you are both experienced. He then taught us how to pass the test... So yes, completely pointless but a standard is needed for a test to exist. Whether that test should exist is another question.
ollie989898
Member
Using crab steer to do what?
I did my test at a similar time and at no stage were we told to put the hand brake on whilst loading?
Using crab to get around a beam in the grain store while keeping close to the wall with bucket. It worked better than 4ws as with 4ws the tip of bucket can move out as you turn sharp (badly explained by me) .
ollie989898
Member
Oh, I see. I often use crab steer to get the bucket alongside the edges of walls but it's not really necessary.
Lakesdigger
Member
Depends how wide bucket is, if narrower than the machine then crab is the answer and also keeps back wheels of machine away from wall in any case. It's called using machine to it's full potential and making most use of its features to work efficiently. Sadly something which is being trained out of everyone.
Dr Sensible
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Important note with regards to hire and some basic rules. If your working on/in your house or garden or private area which is not a workplace then the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 does not apply which means pretty much no other laws/rules apply apart from our perceived common sense. However if you cross the road and carry out a task in a work place/site where the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 applies then all applicable laws/rules kick in. Probably the reason why the home is so dangerous to my toes at night.