Foundations of Farming

[ski]

I will however consent to listening to one lindisfarne song.

I forgot,

 

[Bury the Trash]

You're not a lindisfarne fan ?

 

[Bury the Trash]

I forgot,

but you have to admit @ski it's a post that (seems to be) on your intellectual level at least

 

[ski]

but you have to admit @ski it's a post that (seems to be) on your intellectual level at least

I know, I've been stuck on the ground floor all my life.

 

[Lowland1]

You want to become a 2nd class citizen in your own country? PR and no immigration law is an excellent way to legally go about it.

I don’t think no immigration law is a good thing but a change to our electoral system might not be a bad thing not necessarily PR but an elected upper house after we’ve hung all the toffs is a possibility. As for being a second class citizen in your own country well that’s the Brexit argument and you can only be a second class citizen through legislation or belief. The reason Somalis might want to kill is that they think they are second class citizens because they’ve failed to take the opportunities that are available to them in the UK.

 

[steveR]

Buying land to farm isn't possible unless you already have a fair size chunk or you are presenting 'Who wants to be a millionaire ?' and need somewhere to hide your cash. I've done very well renting but i'd like my own but it's not going to happen in the UK or Kenya and thanks to Brexit France neither. The size of farm needed to maintain a living gets larger and larger every year which as you say will eventually kill farming in the UK.

At the age of about 20, I did a set of figures with the old man (farming accountant), and my conclusion, was that the mixed farm/business would need to increase by around 10acres for every year of my life to remain a viable, sustainable* entity.

I should be at 630 acres. I am not. The farm is NOT, a viable, sustainable entity, but at my age, I have diversified and have other income streams, thank goodness!






* Sustainable, as in generating a "reasonable" income and generate a surplus for reinvestment.

 

[unlacedgecko]

I don’t think no immigration law is a good thing but a change to our electoral system might not be a bad thing not necessarily PR but an elected upper house after we’ve hung all the toffs is a possibility. As for being a second class citizen in your own country well that’s the Brexit argument and you can only be a second class citizen through legislation or belief. The reason Somalis might want to kill is that they think they are second class citizens because they’ve failed to take the opportunities that are available to them in the UK.

The world is divided into "haves" and "have nots". On a global scale, the UK is a nation of "haves". But we are vastly outnumbered by "have nots".

No immigration and PR would very quickly result in a political system dominated by "have nots" who moved here to become "haves". And they would use that system to become "haves" at the expense of the existing population of "haves".

By Somalians, I meant those still is Somalia. It's a violent lawless places dominated by clans, tribal laws and radical islam.

 

[merino]

You want to become a 2nd class citizen in your own country? PR and no immigration law is an excellent way to legally go about it.

As an interesting aside the legislation that made me a second class citizen in the UK was introduced at the tail end of the last Labour government.
It's okay.
But I must say that a homogeneous block of immigrants is something that only exists in the imagination of the daily mail.

 

[unlacedgecko]

As an interesting aside the legislation that made me a second class citizen in the UK was introduced at the tail end of the last Labour government.
It's okay.
But I must say that a homogeneous block of immigrants is something that only exists in the imagination of the daily mail.

Have you visited the tribal 3rd world?

Have you seen the power wielded by imams?

Of course I'm not saying that there is a homogeneous block of "immigrants". But if 3mil Sunni Muslims arrive in the UK they will very quickly become a significant political force under PR.

 

[Jonp]

The world is divided into "haves" and "have nots". On a global scale, the UK is a nation of "haves". But we are vastly outnumbered by "have nots".

No immigration and PR would very quickly result in a political system dominated by "have nots" who moved here to become "haves". And they would use that system to become "haves" at the expense of the existing population of "haves".

By Somalians, I meant those still is Somalia. It's a violent lawless places dominated by clans, tribal laws and radical islam.

We are 'haves' because, as the British empire, we pilaged vast wealth from those 'have nots'.
Many violent and lawless countries are that way because of British imperialism. It can be argued that radical islam is a push back against western imperialism.

 

[SilliamWhale]

At the age of about 20, I did a set of figures with the old man (farming accountant), and my conclusion, was that the mixed farm/business would need to increase by around 10acres for every year of my life to remain a viable, sustainable* entity.

I should be at 630 acres. I am not. The farm is NOT, a viable, sustainable entity, but at my age, I have diversified and have other income streams, thank goodness!






* Sustainable, as in generating a "reasonable" income and generate a surplus for reinvestment.

Its basically cheaper to have a diversified income, not least because growing by 10 acres per annum even if it is rented is just unlikely to be so smooth.

 

[Lowland1]

Have you visited the tribal 3rd world?

Have you seen the power wielded by imams?

Of course I'm not saying that there is a homogeneous block of "immigrants". But if 3mil Sunni Muslims arrive in the UK they will very quickly become a significant political force under PR.

I wouldn’t worry about three million Muslims but the UKs looking to do a trade deal with India which will result in a lot of Indians coming to the UK this you should worry about. They’re generally very bright and hard working and looking to move ahead give them 20 years and they’ll not be complaining about how life has been so tough for them but employing an awful lot of the indigenous population.

 

[Lowland1]

Its basically cheaper to have a diversified income, not least because growing by 10 acres per annum even if it is rented is just unlikely to be so smooth.

I’ve increased by a bit more than ten acres a year every year over the last twenty years but have made the most profit when I stopped expanding and started doing things better.

 

[ollie989898]

To my mind the problems the UK has are products of what it is. In order not to have these problems the UK needs to be something else.

For starters the UK needs to bin the monarchy, the house of Lords and all heritable titles. It needs a PR voting system, stronger devolution and federalism, as in the partition of England into blocks of between five and ten million people, England is too big for the UK.

After that, land reform, why isn't there a land tax? Why isn't there an English right to roam? Landlords need to take a bath, if for no other reason than that hasn't happened since pre the first world war.

Private education needs to stop. As in close then demolish, then plant native woodland on top.

That might sound radical but we're very much in turning up to work sober and wearing trousers territory with that, other countries don't accept the nonsense.

Beyond that, I don't think there should be immigration laws, drugs laws, estates, a BBC, a tory party, or a parliament in London.

More positively you'd then be able to do things like house people and make sure kids get enough to eat.

My grandfather grew up hunting hare on a mountain side in a country living in the shadow of a string of national tragedies. He'd refuse the charecterisation of nobility in poverty that's for sure.
Personally I just can't comprehend why you'd think there's something wrong with getting paid for going to work?

I know this is tangential in a sense, but rights are fundamental to agriculture and the UK isn't great on those at the moment. A big part of the source of that problem is how shabby and unreformed the political system is. Things are nowhere near as bad for agriculture on the continent, in countries with more representative political systems.

Simply, the foundation of farming is human rights.

I think you've got the order wrong, agriculture didn't go wrong (we're not that important), things went wrong elsewhere, and UK agriculture is lumbered with the consequences.

I will however consent to listening to one lindisfarne song.

You want further devolution? The regional governments have been the most expensive and ridiculous political decision in history. Legions of politicians and their baggage trains costing us all a mint and doing fudge all for you and me. Stupid idea.

No right to roam here, and people wouldn't vote for one. Dunno why it is even a thing.

Privat education should be taxed. End of story.

Should be very tough immigration laws, very tough tax policy, stiff drugs laws and serious prisons to keep people in.

 

[czechmate]

You're not a lindisfarne fan ?

I have “meet me on the corner” as 7” , bought when I were a lad

 

[ollie989898]

I wouldn’t worry about three million Muslims but the UKs looking to do a trade deal with India which will result in a lot of Indians coming to the UK this you should worry about. They’re generally very bright and hard working and looking to move ahead give them 20 years and they’ll not be complaining about how life has been so tough for them but employing an awful lot of the indigenous population.

Someone please explain why a trade deal should involve people moving countries. I still don't get this. 'Trade' deal implies the exchange of goods and services.

The public services cannot cope with the population as it is. It's that simple. Maybe you ex-pat guys don't recognise this, but I do.

 

[Lowland1]

Someone please explain why a trade deal should involve people moving countries. I still don't get this. 'Trade' deal implies the exchange of goods and services.

The public services cannot cope with the population as it is. It's that simple. Maybe you ex-pat guys don't recognise this, but I do.

Public services cannot cope because there is an aging population and a declining working population it’s all about demographics. Generally economic prosperity follows an increasing population not a static or declining population it’s why China has decided to remove its restrictions on child numbers. The UK needs workers it’s an inescapable fact if not just to look after the oldies.

UK and India to begin trade deal negotiations amid Tory tensions over relaxing visa rules

Some Tory MPs have voiced disquiet at the prospect of relaxed immigration rules - but making it easier for Indian citizens to live and work in the UK is reportedly a key priority for India

inews.co.uk

 

[czechmate]

Someone please explain why a trade deal should involve people moving countries. I still don't get this. 'Trade' deal implies the exchange of goods and services.

The public services cannot cope with the population as it is. It's that simple. Maybe you ex-pat guys don't recognise this, but I do.

One party has more to offer than the other so are In a position to set out terms. I think it’s called trade.

A little example, my customer tell me I cannot feed my cattle urea. Tbh, they (at the moment) have all the aces, so I don’t feed urea. I don’t want to anyway

 

[Lowland1]

I have “meet me on the corner” as 7” , bought when I were a lad

‘The fog on the Tyne’with Gazza is awful.

 

[czechmate]

‘The fog on the Tyne’with Gazza is awful.

Better than that “run for home thing “