Fox on cranesbill

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
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Midlands
Fox has geranium species on the SOLA for application to osr but in my experience, does very little unless the cranesbill is very small. Smaller than you've just described. Your justification for the SOLA will still have to cite cranesbill though even if the main aim is charlock. Keep the rate up to the 1 litre max and use a decent methylated oil like Zarado. A good water volume and fine spray quality helps with coverage. I hope the crop is well waxed up.

The cut off date for Belkar was 31st December and 8 true leaves.

@Woodlander and @Oat may have a more educated view on this.
 

robbie

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It's a big No no to say you used fox for charlock with the EAMU you have to say it's for geranium species but it isn't any good on it.

If you'd only used belkar 4 days ago you'd have been ok[emoji6] it's good on cranes bill by all accounts.
 
It's a big No no to say you used fox for charlock with the EAMU you have to say it's for geranium species but it isn't any good on it.

If you'd only used belkar 4 days ago you'd have been ok[emoji6] it's good on cranes bill by all accounts.

Did some Belkar not too long ago on some huge charlock. Have some bifenox to use up and a few other patches of weeds to clear up now we have some frosts. Fox a lot cheaper than Belkar although less effective.
 

Badshot

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Kent
I done a headland with fox a few years ago, was clean to the line of the sprayer of cranesbill, wished I'd done the whole field, middle was a bloody mess with it.
 

Woodlander

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Arable Farmer
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Leicestershire
Fox has geranium species on the SOLA for application to osr but in my experience, does very little unless the cranesbill is very small. Smaller than you've just described. Your justification for the SOLA will still have to cite cranesbill though even if the main aim is charlock. Keep the rate up to the 1 litre max and use a decent methylated oil like Zarado. A good water volume and fine spray quality helps with coverage. I hope the crop is well waxed up.

The cut off date for Belkar was 31st December and 8 true leaves.

@Woodlander and @Oat may have a more educated view on this.


Not a lot to add really. The EAMU is for geranium species, but as you say, generally only works on smaller cranesbill, and control is usually a bit hit and miss. Problem is that it is your only option really at this time of year. Some people have had reasonable results with Astrokerb on cranesbill, but that may depend on what you have already applied. Belkar will be the way to go in the future if cranesbill is a specific target weed, but again, will work best when applied earlier to small weeds
 
Not a lot to add really. The EAMU is for geranium species, but as you say, generally only works on smaller cranesbill, and control is usually a bit hit and miss. Problem is that it is your only option really at this time of year. Some people have had reasonable results with Astrokerb on cranesbill, but that may depend on what you have already applied. Belkar will be the way to go in the future if cranesbill is a specific target weed, but again, will work best when applied earlier to small weeds

How much does Astrokerb do? It seemed to curl it up at the time and looked as bad as the mayweed initially.
 
Not over impressed with Astrokerb here,esp when you think it's nearly double the cost of straight kerb.

For us it's a real help. First year using it. We are not going to put a spring fungicide on so it saves a whole sprayer pass. Also mayweed was getting quite big and now isn't. Also, don't have that really catchy Galera timing before flower buds visible. I'm a fan and think we are getting a good cost saving. Galera doesn't get cranesbill either.
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
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Midlands
Not over impressed with Astrokerb here,esp when you think it's nearly double the cost of straight kerb.

Astrokerb is priced to be roughly the same as the alternative, which is a pricey metazachlor + quinmerac + DMTP pre emergence mix that holds the crop back followed up by cheapo generic propyzamide. At least with Astrokerb you can wait & see whether you've got a crop before spending any more £ on it.

Mine has had clomazone pre em, a contact graminicide post em, one insecticide only because of flea beetle pressure then Astrokerb before Xmas with Proline for phoma & LLS. The crop isn't huge but is viable unless the few dying leaves indicate CSFB larvae eating the stems from inside :banghead: Time to go and dissect a few plants, I think.
 

Oat

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Location
Cheshire
Not a lot to add really. The EAMU is for geranium species, but as you say, generally only works on smaller cranesbill, and control is usually a bit hit and miss. Problem is that it is your only option really at this time of year. Some people have had reasonable results with Astrokerb on cranesbill, but that may depend on what you have already applied. Belkar will be the way to go in the future if cranesbill is a specific target weed, but again, will work best when applied earlier to small weeds
Like @Woodlander I can't add much more. Fox has EAMU approval specifically for cranesbill, so in theory it should do something, but usually this is only when the cranesbill is small.

Everyone uses it for charlock, but you have to record it as being for cranesbill. For use on charlock it often works best after frost has weakened the plants slightly. A split dose (1.5+1 L/ha) and adjuvant often help also.

The main other options for cranesbill are dimethamid-P (in mix with other actives) applied pre-em, or Belkar or Astrokerb post-em, but the level of control can be variable. Alternatively, you can use Cleranda on Clearfield crops.
 
Like @Woodlander I can't add much more. Fox has EAMU approval specifically for cranesbill, so in theory it should do something, but usually this is only when the cranesbill is small.

Everyone uses it for charlock, but you have to record it as being for cranesbill. For use on charlock it often works best after frost has weakened the plants slightly. A split dose (1.5+1 L/ha) and adjuvant often help also.

The main other options for cranesbill are dimethamid-P (in mix with other actives) applied pre-em, or Belkar or Astrokerb post-em, but the level of control can be variable. Alternatively, you can use Cleranda on Clearfield crops.

How good is Astrokerb in your experience?
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Like @Woodlander I can't add much more. Fox has EAMU approval specifically for cranesbill, so in theory it should do something, but usually this is only when the cranesbill is small.

Everyone uses it for charlock, but you have to record it as being for cranesbill. For use on charlock it often works best after frost has weakened the plants slightly. A split dose (1.5+1 L/ha) and adjuvant often help also.

The main other options for cranesbill are dimethamid-P (in mix with other actives) applied pre-em, or Belkar or Astrokerb post-em, but the level of control can be variable. Alternatively, you can use Cleranda on Clearfield crops.

Er, max dose is 1 litre. Max total dose is 1.5 litres on the 3 current SOLAs for Fox, Belstone & Diode.
 

Gong Farmer

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S E Glos
Pic of rape treated with Fox. Some effect on the rape, little if any of crane's bill!

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