Foxtrot/Oskar or axial

[robbie]

The idea of using a PGR early in barley gets controversial but I have tried it and I was pleased with the result, it was a really dry season and I was so concerned about the crop I never put terpal on it. Then there was the mother of all thunderstorms and the crop brackled and was beaten over but was harvested fine.

The idea is the chlormequat will even up the tillers. The idea of it encouraging more tillers or enhancing rooting or whatever is a matter of extreme argument in some quarters- I know how popular terms like barleyquat are.

I dont buy into the idea increasing tillers or rooting, that's what a good set of rolls I'd for.
The plants are now throwing out more tillers so my thinking was to stop the main stem and give these new tillers a chance to catch up which, from what you say and from what I've seen from my limited use of ccc it could do. What I dont want is for the main stem to race away and the side tillers just wither away.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Sorry to change the subject slightly but rather than starting a new thread whilst you clever people are in the same place. Is there way a way to kill mares tail in spring wheat and spring oats? We have it creeping in from the edges on one farm and the owner has been pointing it out to me. My understanding is that it’s very hard to kill?

When i have a bl issue i often look to carfentrzone ethyl

 

[ollie989898]

Sorry to change the subject slightly but rather than starting a new thread whilst you clever people are in the same place. Is there way a way to kill mares tail in spring wheat and spring oats? We have it creeping in from the edges on one farm and the owner has been pointing it out to me. My understanding is that it’s very hard to kill?

It is very hard to kill, you can sort of suppress it but it is still a real sod, often pops up late as well. I used to scorch it up in maize annually but it never died.

I would try 2,4D or MCPA in a cereal crop and it will twist it up and stifle it but I ended up putting the stuff into grass.

If it was only around the edge of a crop I would use kyleo.

 

[ollie989898]

When i have a bl issue i often look to carfentrzone ethyl

Or this. Pre-harvest round up might be another option. As would a good drag about with spring tines!

 

[robbie]

Sorry to change the subject slightly but rather than starting a new thread whilst you clever people are in the same place. Is there way a way to kill mares tail in spring wheat and spring oats? We have it creeping in from the edges on one farm and the owner has been pointing it out to me. My understanding is that it’s very hard to kill?

A chap I know had reasonable results with full rate mcpa and wetter in grass but it may have been rolled previously which helps enormously.

 

[Brisel]

Sorry to change the subject slightly but rather than starting a new thread whilst you clever people are in the same place. Is there way a way to kill mares tail in spring wheat and spring oats? We have it creeping in from the edges on one farm and the owner has been pointing it out to me. My understanding is that it’s very hard to kill?

I haven't seen this in real life but high rates of MCPA in cereals are supposed to work well. Others swear by diesel and high rates of Roundup and/or a set of rolls to bruise it. It has a very waxy cuticle so I'd consider an oil adjuvant with the MCPA - just don't have anything else in the tank and leave a gap between other treatments. Spring cereals will be quite soft and prone to damage. The Nufarm technical helpline is worth a call. They have been helpful to me in the past.

I can't comment on carfentrazone but you'd have to use it outside a crop & there's a 1 month drilling interval on the Shark label.

 

[Brisel]

I dont buy into the idea increasing tillers or rooting, that's what a good set of rolls I'd for.
The plants are now throwing out more tillers so my thinking was to stop the main stem and give these new tillers a chance to catch up which, from what you say and from what I've seen from my limited use of ccc it could do. What I dont want is for the main stem to race away and the side tillers just wither away.

CCC is for breaking apical dominance but don't bother while tillering - that's not what chlormequat is for. The best way to keep tillers is have plenty of N available and keep the plant healthy. I'll be tissue testing mine over the weekend as it's getting close to the time when I'm ordering T1 products.

 

[Flat 10]

I have had reasonable results with MCPA and I think debut in beet hurt it. Which makes me wonder if a bit of ally in with the mcpa would help. I only used about half rate in crop to suppress it anyway. @ajd132 cultivation can help after harvest.

 

[ajd132]

Thanks chaps.
Also, anyone got experience of using broadway star on spring wheat for oats and broad leaves? I know you can only use 200g rather than 260.

 

[Shutesy]

Sorry to change the subject slightly but rather than starting a new thread whilst you clever people are in the same place. Is there way a way to kill mares tail in spring wheat and spring oats? We have it creeping in from the edges on one farm and the owner has been pointing it out to me. My understanding is that it’s very hard to kill?

It is a pig, got similar here it creeps into the fields from the outside, one 8 acre field its got into some quite large patches. Kyleo kills it well out of crop but it will soon be back the year after.
We used 2.5L/ha Headland Polo (360g/L 2-4d + 315g/L MCPA) and 100g/ha Concert SX (40 g/kg metsulfuron-methyl and 400 g/kg thifensulfuron-methyl) in 200l/ha of water in S Barley 2 years ago around the 15th of May and will be doing similar this year in patches. Killed off everything above ground but I believe its how its all joined togethor below ground that is the issue so it comes back again. Neither of those I have mentioned above have approval in spring oats from what I can see but fine in spring barley and wheat.

 

[ollie989898]

As others have mentioned, I think dragging it up to the surface it out and disturb it will help.

Doesn't like Forefront, either.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I haven't seen this in real life but high rates of MCPA in cereals are supposed to work well. Others swear by diesel and high rates of Roundup and/or a set of rolls to bruise it. It has a very waxy cuticle so I'd consider an oil adjuvant with the MCPA - just don't have anything else in the tank and leave a gap between other treatments. Spring cereals will be quite soft and prone to damage. The Nufarm technical helpline is worth a call. They have been helpful to me in the past.

I can't comment on carfentrazone but you'd have to use it outside a crop & there's a 1 month drilling interval on the Shark label.

Platform S

 

[Brisel]

Platform S

Thanks. It's listed as no longer marketed but approved until 31st Jan 2021

 

[SilliamWhale]

Thanks. It's listed as no longer marketed but approved until 31st Jan 2021

Drat

 

[Fragonard]

Barleyquat, ffs....and Mensa- the irony.

I'm trying to remember but I think I might have put managnese with foxtrot/oskar. Might have put CCC with it when I was young and daft.

Is it not possible to mix CCC and Foxtrot?

 

[Northern territory]

Is it not possible to mix CCC and Foxtrot?

FMC said strictly on its own then 7-10 day period with nothing else on crop.

 

[robbie]

I've added liquid MN without issue before but that's it, anything else is a definite NO

 

[ollie989898]

Is it not possible to mix CCC and Foxtrot?

I can't remember in all honesty. Foxtrot is pretty hot as it stands so I wouldn't fudge with it like others have said.

 

[daithi]

I am planning to spray SB with foxtrot tomorrow, it will be 7 days since it got BLW herbicide. When it says leave 7 days between applications is that just herbicides or fungicides as well? Do I have to leave my fungicide and foliar N for another 7 days?.
Sorry for all the questions I normally use axial thought I would change chemical this year.
TIA.

 

[clemmo]

Is it not miles past the cut off ?