Foxtrot/Oskar or axial

[ollie989898]

Barleyquat and mensa now theres a serviced ii agros recommendation if ever I saw one.???

Barleyquat, ffs....and Mensa- the irony.

I'm trying to remember but I think I might have put managnese with foxtrot/oskar. Might have put CCC with it when I was young and daft.

 

[ollie989898]

I find Foxtrot to be an excellent product. Used at 0.75l on barley and nails even the bigger oats in WB. Have used 1l in ww.

Always used as a stand alone application even when having some trace elements to go on. Need a week before anything else.
Cost effective control for Wild Oats,

It is an ok product if used properly and not abused.

In wheat there are more options. I would say topik is kinder to the crop.

Axial is not daft money at a lower dose but of course timing in that is everything.

 

[ollie989898]

Would foxtrot/Oscar do much on Italian ryegrass?
Been taking it out in one field with axial in recent years but as said it’s eye wateringly expensive especially at the 0.45l/ha rate required (old formulation)

That is an axial job I am afraid. Reduce the rate and spray small (not tillered out monsters) weeds?

 

[Grass And Grain]

I use a tadge under 300ml of Axial (new formulation), plus a bit of extra oil. That is sprayed now, about 30 days after drilling the S.Barley. Works perfectly.

Always walk fields to rogue any that may not have been sensitive to that dose rate (to stop resistant population building up). Usually find none at all to rogue.

Can tank mix it with Mn and insecticide, but I am very wary of doing so. Don't want any frost about!

 

[teslacoils]

If you like the price of barleyquat, you won't mind the cost of axial pro.

 

[Brisel]

It is an ok product if used properly and not abused.

In wheat there are more options. I would say topik is kinder to the crop.

Axial is not daft money at a lower dose but of course timing in that is everything.

Be careful of product names. Topik is not approved on barley & it will kick the hell out of it. A Velcourt farm manager lost his job due to applying Topik to a winter barley crop.

 

[Brisel]

I think it is a bit early to be treating wild oats in SB in a dry spring. Many late wild oats will not have germinated yet. Axial Pro is expensive but you can combine it with BLW control and trace elements. Equally I think there is a synergy on AMG with axial and Ally max type products. Oskar, Mensa and Barleyquat B..... sounds routine and expensive(ii)ve..... well not the wild oat control but what will come after!

Fair point, but you don't get a "like" because mixing Axial with broad leafed products and trace elements is really going to warm the mixture up. Even T1 is quite early for wild oats but if you leave it too late in a thick crop you could lose some efficacy if the conditions aren't perfect. and you get some shading.

Mensa and Barleyquat hopefully comes with a tub of Vaseline to ease the pain of being shafted!

 

[Gong Farmer]

Topik, Cheetah etc have been tried to take out barley volunteers. Never worked but went three-quarters of the way there.

 

[robbie]

If you like the price of barleyquat, you won't mind the cost of axial pro.

If I remember correctly barleyquat was pushed(atleast to me) as a low temperature growth regulator to use in cold conditions when crop growth was slow, WTF

 

[Steevo]

Topik, Cheetah etc have been tried to take out barley volunteers. Never worked but went three-quarters of the way there.

Interesting to hear!!

I've had issues with ex-SB fields going into WW the last two years - the barley volunteers have survived the mild winters.

 

[ollie989898]

Interesting to hear!!

I've had issues with ex-SB fields going into WW the last two years - the barley volunteers have survived the mild winters.

Buy a plough...

Had various goes at taking barley out of wheat, doesn't matter what you do, atlantis, topik etc, always seems to stick it.

 

[teslacoils]

Topik at send out always made thebarlet very sad or so I'm told.

 

[FMC Agro Ltd]

Hi all, this is Hannah from FMC and we have just joined the Farming Forum.

Happy to help out with any queries you have going forward on Foxtrot or any of our other products.

Many thanks

 

[robbie]

Hi hannah would you be ok with mixing liquid MN with foxtrot being applied to spring barley and how concerned about crop stress from lack of rain would you be.

 

[Properjob]

Fair point, but you don't get a "like" because mixing Axial with broad leafed products and trace elements is really going to warm the mixture up. Even T1 is quite early for wild oats but if you leave it too late in a thick crop you could lose some efficacy if the conditions aren't perfect. and you get some shading.

Mensa and Barleyquat hopefully comes with a tub of Vaseline to ease the pain of being shafted!

Axial Pro is not that hot in my experience and is widely mixed, hence its price and convenience to use at different timings. I think the following advice from Syngenta may help clarify things for anyone concerned.

https://www.syngenta.co.uk/sites/g/files/zhg151/f/axial_pro_tank_mix_list.pdf?token=1553011567

 

[Happy]

If I remember correctly barleyquat was pushed(atleast to me) as a low temperature growth regulator to use in cold conditions when crop growth was slow, WTF

Same line used for years with Meteor in wheat.
Funnily enough that’s not as important this year............ coinciding with it no longer on the market

 

[robbie]

Same line used for years with Meteor in wheat.
Funnily enough that’s not as important this year............ coinciding with it no longer on the market

That's it, I'd forgotten about that one. Didnt meteor have MN in it aswell as pgr or am o thinking of another one.

When they worked they were flogging a dead horse with me and barleyquat, they moved onto alitrin evo, syngenta modus in a syngenta bottle but twice the price.???

 

[Happy]

That's it, I'd forgotten about that one. Didnt meteor have MN in it aswell as pgr or am o thinking of another one.

When they worked they were flogging a dead horse with me and barleyquat, they moved onto alitrin evo, syngenta modus in a syngenta bottle but twice the price.???

Don’t think there was any Mn in it.
The magic ingredient over straight chlormequat was Imazaqin which must have been put on the banned list in the past year.

 

[robbie]

Don’t think there was any Mn in it.
The magic ingredient over straight chlormequat was Imazaqin which must have been put on the banned list in the past year.

I must be thinking of another one which came ready lubed for slicker insertions.

I think meteor may have gone a few years ago.

 

[ollie989898]

Same line used for years with Meteor in wheat.
Funnily enough that’s not as important this year............ coinciding with it no longer on the market

Meteor was pretty good from memory, wasn't it 3C but with something else added? Worked well in the forward crops I used to have about but never used it much as it was sort of going out use at the time.