Free Trade Beef

[No wot]

Assuming beef farming is going to have to compete with unrestricted tariff free imports post 2020, what do farmers in say USA, Australia, South America receive for a good fat beast , (convert into £'s please)

 

[onthehoof]

Assuming beef farming is going to have to compete with unrestricted tariff free imports post 2020, what do farmers in say USA, Australia, South America receive for a good fat beast , (convert into £'s please)

A lot less than us!

 

[John Chance]

Waiting for the Brexiteers amongst us to explain why this isn't going to happen, when it so obviously is.

 

[gone up the hill]

There prices aren't actually much lower than our's but they have much cheaper production methods as they can use growth promoters and they don't have all this farm assurance BS..

If they do get tariff free access to our market ( which is unlikely ) then we will HAVE to be allowed to use growth promoters and this farm assurance rubbish will have to be thrown in the hedge! if not then we will be on a very un level playing field.

 

[No wot]

GUTH ,I'm not familiar with free trade rules & just assumed that a free trade deal with another county means just that , free access to that counties consumers & markets for all goods & trade , tariff free , but you say that is unlikely, so is free trade not as free as I naively believed.

 

[Nithsdale]

We need to sink the £.

It'l make these 'cheap' imports' more expensive, bringing it more inline with ours and making our own produce a much more appealing purchase.

 

[gone up the hill]

GUTH ,I'm not familiar with free trade rules & just assumed that a free trade deal with another county means just that , free access to that counties consumers & markets for all goods & trade , tariff free , but you say that is unlikely, so is free trade not as free as I naively believed.

Far more complicated than that.

For example you could have the beef market opened up for free trade into the UK in exchange to protect say the steel industry in return ( ie so we can have free tariffs into America for Steel but they cant have that coming into the UK for their steel ).

Will not be anything like Free trade both ways with America when the deal is finally done, it will be a lot more complicated than that!

 

[Lovegoodstock]

We have these half hearted efforts of selling our meat to the public on the grounds of our welfare status being the best in the world, red tractor, fabbl and so on. An extra cost, when meat is short, non assured makes as much, so whilst I agree with upholding welfare levels, I do struggle with the concept of an announced visit one day a year makes a farmers welfare standards perfect. It simply doesn't work, it comes down to price, as when flooded with kiwi lamb with no red tractor, is it left on the shelves, or is it sold as cheaper? Obvious. However, whilst people wont pay more for the red tractor, as daft as it sounds I believe they would pay less for non assured foreign meat. If it was pointed out, in a very un british way that wont happen, that regularly foreign cattle are fed growth hormones, never go out to graze, get blanket antibiotic use, pork can come from pigs kept in crates, sheep in southern hemisphere are left to die on a big drive as time wasters, tails skinned with no anaesthetic to minimise dirty back ends. I believe which is wrong, that knocking competition would have a better effect than promoting our qualities

 

[Muck Spreader]

Traditionally US beef could be up to a £ a kg cheaper than the UK, but the last 3 or 4 years US prices have exceeded Irish and French prices and currently (£3.42 kgdw) only slightly less than UK prices. Currently Brazil would be the biggest danger £2.20 kgdw (steers)

 

[TelesnaAg]

We are in a price bonanza at the moment...won't last - they never do...

9 month old weaners - beef breed = 2.40 ish GBP kg

12 month to 24 - 2 GBP per kg ish...

Most will survive at half those rates due to production costs being low and no where near the regulations you guys have.

we flat out supplying markets now but depends who pays...

Ant...

 

[TelesnaAg]

live weight prices

 

[No wot]

Thanks for you comments

 

[yellowbelly]

We are in a price bonanza at the moment...won't last - they never do...

9 month old weaners - beef breed = 2.40 ish GBP kg

12 month to 24 - 2 GBP per kg ish...

Most will survive at half those rates due to production costs being low and no where near the regulations you guys have.

we flat out supplying markets now but depends who pays...

Ant...

Very interesting @TelesnaAg - thanks.

Of topic, I know, but I would find it interesting if we could have a sticky thread on here that could regularly update beef, lamb and pig prices across the world (eg Austrailia, NZ, Ireland, USA, etc) in some sort of easy to read tabular form. Whenever I've tried to look up prices on line, I've never had much success - always seem to get out of date info.
@Sleepy @llamedos would this create too much work?
Would there be enough interest from the Beef, lamb and pig price tracker regulars? @Northeastfarmer ,@gone up the hill ,@sherg ,@Old Tip , @Lovegoodstock ,@Henarar ,etc, etc Comments appreciated.

 

[TelesnaAg]

Berf and lamb easy...pigs not so as its all over the hooks...so unless in the game you never find out..

Ant..

 

[TelesnaAg]

Free trade....no such thing...its all about paying nothing....supply always fills up and thats it...boom and bust...no certantiy...its all BS in my book...

Ant...

 

[gone up the hill]

Very interesting @TelesnaAg - thanks.

Of topic, I know, but I would find it interesting if we could have a sticky thread on here that could regularly update beef, lamb and pig prices across the world (eg Austrailia, NZ, Ireland, USA, etc) in some sort of easy to read tabular form. Whenever I've tried to look up prices on line, I've never had much success - always seem to get out of date info.
@Sleepy @llamedos would this create too much work?
Would there be enough interest from the Beef, lamb and pig price tracker regulars? @Northeastfarmer ,@gone up the hill ,@sherg ,@Old Tip , @Lovegoodstock ,@Henarar ,etc, etc Comments appreciated.

Yea it would be a good idea

 

[digger64]

There prices aren't actually much lower than our's but they have much cheaper production methods as they can use growth promoters and they don't have all this farm assurance BS..

If they do get tariff free access to our market ( which is unlikely ) then we will HAVE to be allowed to use growth promoters and this farm assurance rubbish will have to be thrown in the hedge! if not then we will be on a very un level playing field.

Would the long distances from their processors and ports etc make a price difference ?

 

[TelesnaAg]

Depends on location of course...some cart 1500km in the nth...but they have very low costs...they just round up cattle once a year and take whats there...thats it...

Where i am about 100km max distance...i have 4 cattle and 1 sheep market all within 90km...if i go 300km theres heaps of markets and it not unfeasable to do so...

And 100km travel here alot different to uk...they use bigger trucks and fuel is half the price of uk...

Ant...

 

[gone up the hill]

Would the long distances from their processors and ports etc make a price difference ?

No because they can haul 160/200 + head of cattle per lorry train, they drive nonstop for 100skms, no mucking about with 8 hour limits etc.

That is what we are competing with!

 

[M-J-G]

Do lorry drivers not have driving limits in Oz or NZ?