French to stop exports

Cowcalf

Member
I am seeing a big drop in the numbers of ground nesting birds,our management hasn’t changed but there is a massive increase in the numbers of badgers and corvids . There used to be a handful of crows and rooks now there are hundreds and I’m sure they must be having a detrimental effect.
If you listen to the “ experts “ it’s to do with intensive farming methods pure bulls**t all the ground nesting birds get ravaged by the badgers and raptors and ravens and pine martens ect, and as stocks of food diminish they will become more brave and savage. We need old fashioned keepers doing what they were good at
 

Old apprentice

Member
Arable Farmer
If you listen to the “ experts “ it’s to do with intensive farming methods pure bulls**t all the ground nesting birds get ravaged by the badgers and raptors and ravens and pine martens ect, and as stocks of food diminish they will become more brave and savage. We need old fashioned keepers doing what they were good at

Will the penny ever drop or we just watch them go into abolition.
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
its quite simple really, straight economics, supply v demand,
But so many farmers think, price is going up, must produce more, to make the most it.
All that happens is the supply/demand equation, goes the other way, price goes down.
On the TFF, farmers are concerned about fert price, worry they cant get the usual amount on, think they have a duty to 'feed' the nation, etc

Utterbullshite, we do not have to feed the nation, they only think of us, as polluting idiots, that get paid a fortune for nothing, except when 'things' happen, then we are heroes for a week, then back to normal. @Cowabunga is dead right, our responsibility is to our families, no-one else.

Go back to the basics of economics, supply demand, if demand exceeds supply, price goes up, and vice versus. So, why do we want to produce a surplus ? It actually costs us more money to do that, because the price of ALL we produce goes down, and who really wants that ?
 
its quite simple really, straight economics, supply v demand,
But so many farmers think, price is going up, must produce more, to make the most it.
All that happens is the supply/demand equation, goes the other way, price goes down.
On the TFF, farmers are concerned about fert price, worry they cant get the usual amount on, think they have a duty to 'feed' the nation, etc

Utterbullshite, we do not have to feed the nation, they only think of us, as polluting idiots, that get paid a fortune for nothing, except when 'things' happen, then we are heroes for a week, then back to normal. @Cowabunga is dead right, our responsibility is to our families, no-one else.

Go back to the basics of economics, supply demand, if demand exceeds supply, price goes up, and vice versus. So, why do we want to produce a surplus ? It actually costs us more money to do that, because the price of ALL we produce goes down, and who really wants that ?
True.
OH
Kids
Parents
Neigbours
the country.

But

When the country talks uttter muck about those that feed them.............. Makes it hard to stomach the sacrifice
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
When the country talks uttter muck about those that feed them.............. Makes it hard to stomach the sacrifice
Well now, you have hit a particular nail squarely on its head in an unintended way. As farmers we should not be expected to or indeed make any sacrifices just to provide food on people’s tables. No more sacrifice than a 35 hour week wage earner such as a council road worker or office manager, neither of which borrows or invests at their own risk in their enterprise. They do not take losses out of their own pockets either. Indeed you would be hard pressed to find any public employee from the bottom to Prime Minister level that will take responsibility for a damn thing these days.

So do not ‘sacrifice’ for the man and woman on the Clapham Omnibus. They couldn’t give a rat’s arse about the likes of you and me who they look down upon and laugh at our toil.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
its quite simple really, straight economics, supply v demand,
But so many farmers think, price is going up, must produce more, to make the most it.
All that happens is the supply/demand equation, goes the other way, price goes down.
On the TFF, farmers are concerned about fert price, worry they cant get the usual amount on, think they have a duty to 'feed' the nation, etc

Utterbullshite, we do not have to feed the nation, they only think of us, as polluting idiots, that get paid a fortune for nothing, except when 'things' happen, then we are heroes for a week, then back to normal. @Cowabunga is dead right, our responsibility is to our families, no-one else.

Go back to the basics of economics, supply demand, if demand exceeds supply, price goes up, and vice versus. So, why do we want to produce a surplus ? It actually costs us more money to do that, because the price of ALL we produce goes down, and who really wants that ?
I have often thought that i should grow less wheat when the price is high, as i can live on less production, and keep more in grass, which can be ploughed to produce a cheap crop when prices fall
 
Well now, you have hit a particular nail squarely on its head in an unintended way. As farmers we should not be expected to or indeed make any sacrifices just to provide food on people’s tables. No more sacrifice than a 35 hour week wage earner such as a council road worker or office manager, neither of which borrows or invests at their own risk in their enterprise. They do not take losses out of their own pockets either. Indeed you would be hard pressed to find any public employee from the bottom to Prime Minister level that will take responsibility for a damn thing these days.

So do not ‘sacrifice’ for the man and woman on the Clapham Omnibus. They couldn’t give a rat’s arse about the likes of you and me who they look down upon and laugh at our toil.
I have often thought that i should grow less wheat when the price is high, as i can live on less production, and keep more in grass, which can be ploughed to produce a cheap crop when prices fall
You, good sir, have spoken good logic,
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
True.
OH
Kids
Parents
Neigbours
the country.

But

When the country talks uttter muck about those that feed them.............. Makes it hard to stomach the sacrifice
after years of taking shite, being slated etc
my aim is to look after my own family, why should l worry about 'the world', when they don't give a toss, about us ?
Now, if we had been treated fairly, that would be a different story, but they didn't, in fact they abused us, so, for me, it is my family.
ag is rapidly climbing up the ladder, of importance, for many people, but its a long way up, from the bottom rung, and respect will only last for a short time, then it will be derision again. So, l will make the most of my new prices, and won't feel guilty.
 
its quite simple really, straight economics, supply v demand,
But so many farmers think, price is going up, must produce more, to make the most it.
All that happens is the supply/demand equation, goes the other way, price goes down.
On the TFF, farmers are concerned about fert price, worry they cant get the usual amount on, think they have a duty to 'feed' the nation, etc

Utterbullshite, we do not have to feed the nation, they only think of us, as polluting idiots, that get paid a fortune for nothing, except when 'things' happen, then we are heroes for a week, then back to normal. @Cowabunga is dead right, our responsibility is to our families, no-one else.

Go back to the basics of economics, supply demand, if demand exceeds supply, price goes up, and vice versus. So, why do we want to produce a surplus ? It actually costs us more money to do that, because the price of ALL we produce goes down, and who really wants that ?
Yet the amount of food we produce in this country has very little effect on World commodity prices.......
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Yet the amount of food we produce in this country has very little effect on World commodity prices.......
no it doesn't, but food production should be looked at on a global basis, what we produce here, means less imports from a country, that might really need it, I think we are actually fairly well up the list, for exporting grain. Pricing of ag product, is on a world basis, thanks to the parasitic commodity traders. So what we produce at home, is all part of their equation.
Its ironic, that we look, and hope for, higher prices, for our product, which we need, yet those higher prices, mean increasing starvation in poor countries. And that needs changing, how the heck you do that, no idea, and probably unachievable.
Its also ironic that we produce the product, that is the only thing that keeps people alive, which is treated with contempt. Feel that, might be on the change.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Its ironic, that we look, and hope for, higher prices, for our product, which we need, yet those higher prices, mean increasing starvation in poor countries. And that needs changing, how the heck you do that, no idea, and probably unachievable.
Its also ironic that we produce the product, that is the only thing that keeps people alive, which is treated with contempt. Feel that, might be on the change.

The answer to that has been known for decades if not millennia. It is that they grow their own food at their own economic prices or, if they wish to industrialise, create wealth that lets them afford to buy food in at what other countries find to be an economic and viable price. First though, stop killing each other and stop corruption. These countries we are concerned with here fought for their independence and self governance. That means it is THEIR responsibility to achieve food security NOT OURS. We can hardly do that for ourselves anyway for many primary responsibilities of Government, such as food and energy security.

Don’t bet that there is any change. As soon as food becomes plentiful again, due to farmers efforts and the cessation of stupid irresponsible wars perpetrated by a madman, which will happen, it will be back to re-wilding, cheap food, forestation, foreign trade deals with cheap imports being the result, making tree planting the least obnoxious option for many UK farmers who will become ex-farmers.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
Obviously I'm out of the UK but wheat is touching 400 pounds a tonne. So I've got myself a combine and I'm planting as much corn as I can. As a net importer the wheat price here is always world market plus and big wheat farmers here have made fortunes over the years (and lost them too polo ponies and aeroplanes aren't cheap). Today i got to thinking what if there's peace in Ukraine next week? Prices are going to crash how am I going to pay for the combine? I've just got a stereo put in it and everything. Then I thought so what. If there's peace that's a good thing no more Ukrainian families being murdered and a return to the status quo for the poorer countries of the world. Maybe it's a wake up call for Governments around the world to stop their reliance on imported food and energy maybe it's not but really we need things to get back to some semblance of how they were. My Dad used to quote the old farmers toast of "Here's to a famine or a bloody war" . Well we might have both and we might make some money but me I preferred things as they were.
 
Obviously I'm out of the UK but wheat is touching 400 pounds a tonne. So I've got myself a combine and I'm planting as much corn as I can. As a net importer the wheat price here is always world market plus and big wheat farmers here have made fortunes over the years (and lost them too polo ponies and aeroplanes aren't cheap). Today i got to thinking what if there's peace in Ukraine next week? Prices are going to crash how am I going to pay for the combine? I've just got a stereo put in it and everything. Then I thought so what. If there's peace that's a good thing no more Ukrainian families being murdered and a return to the status quo for the poorer countries of the world. Maybe it's a wake up call for Governments around the world to stop their reliance on imported food and energy maybe it's not but really we need things to get back to some semblance of how they were. My Dad used to quote the old farmers toast of "Here's to a famine or a bloody war" . Well we might have both and we might make some money but me I preferred things as they were.
Prices won’t stabilise any time soon - the supply chain has been severely disrupted and it would take months, if not years to level things out again.
This years Ukrainian harvest tonnage will be severely impacted and storage facilities are not yet empty from the last harvest.
 

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Five nature-recovery projects spanning 100,000ha launched

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Written by Michelle Martin from Agriland

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Five nature-recovery projects spanning nearly 100,000ha across the West Midlands, Cambridgeshire, the Peak District, Norfolk and Somerset have been announced by the government and Natural England today (Thursday, May 26).

This is the equivalent in size to all 219 current National Reserves.

The aim of the projects is to deliver nature recovery at a landscape scale, helping to tackle biodiversity loss, climate change and improve public health and well-being.

All five projects will make a significant contribution towards the national delivery of the international commitment to protect at least 30% of land and...
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