whitefox
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hopefully by then the tree huggers, and their vote chasing politicians, will be at the back of a very long,bread que ,..............hell mend themThe penny wont drop till its too late
hopefully by then the tree huggers, and their vote chasing politicians, will be at the back of a very long,bread que ,..............hell mend themThe penny wont drop till its too late
If you listen to the “ experts “ it’s to do with intensive farming methods pure bulls**t all the ground nesting birds get ravaged by the badgers and raptors and ravens and pine martens ect, and as stocks of food diminish they will become more brave and savage. We need old fashioned keepers doing what they were good atI am seeing a big drop in the numbers of ground nesting birds,our management hasn’t changed but there is a massive increase in the numbers of badgers and corvids . There used to be a handful of crows and rooks now there are hundreds and I’m sure they must be having a detrimental effect.
If you listen to the “ experts “ it’s to do with intensive farming methods pure bulls**t all the ground nesting birds get ravaged by the badgers and raptors and ravens and pine martens ect, and as stocks of food diminish they will become more brave and savage. We need old fashioned keepers doing what they were good at
True.its quite simple really, straight economics, supply v demand,
But so many farmers think, price is going up, must produce more, to make the most it.
All that happens is the supply/demand equation, goes the other way, price goes down.
On the TFF, farmers are concerned about fert price, worry they cant get the usual amount on, think they have a duty to 'feed' the nation, etc
Utterbullshite, we do not have to feed the nation, they only think of us, as polluting idiots, that get paid a fortune for nothing, except when 'things' happen, then we are heroes for a week, then back to normal. @Cowabunga is dead right, our responsibility is to our families, no-one else.
Go back to the basics of economics, supply demand, if demand exceeds supply, price goes up, and vice versus. So, why do we want to produce a surplus ? It actually costs us more money to do that, because the price of ALL we produce goes down, and who really wants that ?
Well now, you have hit a particular nail squarely on its head in an unintended way. As farmers we should not be expected to or indeed make any sacrifices just to provide food on people’s tables. No more sacrifice than a 35 hour week wage earner such as a council road worker or office manager, neither of which borrows or invests at their own risk in their enterprise. They do not take losses out of their own pockets either. Indeed you would be hard pressed to find any public employee from the bottom to Prime Minister level that will take responsibility for a damn thing these days.When the country talks uttter muck about those that feed them.............. Makes it hard to stomach the sacrifice
I have often thought that i should grow less wheat when the price is high, as i can live on less production, and keep more in grass, which can be ploughed to produce a cheap crop when prices fallits quite simple really, straight economics, supply v demand,
But so many farmers think, price is going up, must produce more, to make the most it.
All that happens is the supply/demand equation, goes the other way, price goes down.
On the TFF, farmers are concerned about fert price, worry they cant get the usual amount on, think they have a duty to 'feed' the nation, etc
Utterbullshite, we do not have to feed the nation, they only think of us, as polluting idiots, that get paid a fortune for nothing, except when 'things' happen, then we are heroes for a week, then back to normal. @Cowabunga is dead right, our responsibility is to our families, no-one else.
Go back to the basics of economics, supply demand, if demand exceeds supply, price goes up, and vice versus. So, why do we want to produce a surplus ? It actually costs us more money to do that, because the price of ALL we produce goes down, and who really wants that ?
Well now, you have hit a particular nail squarely on its head in an unintended way. As farmers we should not be expected to or indeed make any sacrifices just to provide food on people’s tables. No more sacrifice than a 35 hour week wage earner such as a council road worker or office manager, neither of which borrows or invests at their own risk in their enterprise. They do not take losses out of their own pockets either. Indeed you would be hard pressed to find any public employee from the bottom to Prime Minister level that will take responsibility for a damn thing these days.
So do not ‘sacrifice’ for the man and woman on the Clapham Omnibus. They couldn’t give a rat’s arse about the likes of you and me who they look down upon and laugh at our toil.
You, good sir, have spoken good logic,I have often thought that i should grow less wheat when the price is high, as i can live on less production, and keep more in grass, which can be ploughed to produce a cheap crop when prices fall
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When the country talks uttter muck about those that feed them.............. Makes it hard to stomach the sacrifice
Yet the amount of food we produce in this country has very little effect on World commodity prices.......its quite simple really, straight economics, supply v demand,
But so many farmers think, price is going up, must produce more, to make the most it.
All that happens is the supply/demand equation, goes the other way, price goes down.
On the TFF, farmers are concerned about fert price, worry they cant get the usual amount on, think they have a duty to 'feed' the nation, etc
Utterbullshite, we do not have to feed the nation, they only think of us, as polluting idiots, that get paid a fortune for nothing, except when 'things' happen, then we are heroes for a week, then back to normal. @Cowabunga is dead right, our responsibility is to our families, no-one else.
Go back to the basics of economics, supply demand, if demand exceeds supply, price goes up, and vice versus. So, why do we want to produce a surplus ? It actually costs us more money to do that, because the price of ALL we produce goes down, and who really wants that ?
But I can see it having an effect on local prices. Cheap food only works on the back of cheap transport. 2 industries that gave been cynically maligned for decades and hopefully not for much longer.Yet the amount of food we produce in this country has very little effect on World commodity prices.......
no it doesn't, but food production should be looked at on a global basis, what we produce here, means less imports from a country, that might really need it, I think we are actually fairly well up the list, for exporting grain. Pricing of ag product, is on a world basis, thanks to the parasitic commodity traders. So what we produce at home, is all part of their equation.Yet the amount of food we produce in this country has very little effect on World commodity prices.......
Its ironic, that we look, and hope for, higher prices, for our product, which we need, yet those higher prices, mean increasing starvation in poor countries. And that needs changing, how the heck you do that, no idea, and probably unachievable.
Its also ironic that we produce the product, that is the only thing that keeps people alive, which is treated with contempt. Feel that, might be on the change.
Prices won’t stabilise any time soon - the supply chain has been severely disrupted and it would take months, if not years to level things out again.Obviously I'm out of the UK but wheat is touching 400 pounds a tonne. So I've got myself a combine and I'm planting as much corn as I can. As a net importer the wheat price here is always world market plus and big wheat farmers here have made fortunes over the years (and lost them too polo ponies and aeroplanes aren't cheap). Today i got to thinking what if there's peace in Ukraine next week? Prices are going to crash how am I going to pay for the combine? I've just got a stereo put in it and everything. Then I thought so what. If there's peace that's a good thing no more Ukrainian families being murdered and a return to the status quo for the poorer countries of the world. Maybe it's a wake up call for Governments around the world to stop their reliance on imported food and energy maybe it's not but really we need things to get back to some semblance of how they were. My Dad used to quote the old farmers toast of "Here's to a famine or a bloody war" . Well we might have both and we might make some money but me I preferred things as they were.
Chicken and pig.
I heard snippets of a program on Radio 4 this afternoon about ‘farming’ in Northern Ireland. Almost entirely slanted at ‘conservation’ and ‘net zero’ and curlew conservation of course, being the BBC. The curlew expert had been conserving the bird for at least ten years and it had declined annually, blaming mostly farmers rather than predation by other wild animals in her ‘conservation’ zones.