A very valuable suggestion. I had a demo of a 4220, and aside from being impressed with the machine and amazed by the comfort, I must admit my immediate thought was how good it would be with a landquip demount on it. My ignorance prevails as regards to how difficult a demount is to attach, but certainly food for thought. Are they noticeably higher than a SP for road transport?
From Self propelled, to trailed, back to Self propelled sprayer
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A very valuable suggestion. I had a demo of a 4220, and aside from being impressed with the machine and amazed by the comfort, I must admit my immediate thought was how good it would be with a landquip demount on it. My ignorance prevails as regards to how difficult a demount is to attach, but certainly food for thought. Are they noticeably higher than a SP for road transport?
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- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
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- northumberland
might already have the tractor tho
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- South wales
Now that’s a smart set up
Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
Same price as a self propelled though. I was asked to insure demo I had for 200k.
Residual values of a demount that only fits one make of tractor limited too.
Daniel
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Wouldn't this be a good halfway house between a trailed and a self prop? 3500 litre capacity now with 30 metre booms.
20 years self prop and now 18 months trailed
no regrets whatsoever, trailed is superior in every respect but partly as it’s a much more modern, high tech machine than the self prop it replaced. Operator prefers it mostly for added comfort and speed on the road and far better boom stability / technology - it also travels better in the wet
financially no comparison, less than 50% the capital, much lower running costs and the tractor pulling it does most of our drilling, spreading a bit of light cultivation and grain carting - drooping it on and off takes no loner than dropping off a grain trailer, it certainly doesn’t tie up a tractor full time
I think with a trailed you need to go very high spec / tech if you have been used to self props to avoid disappointment
no regrets whatsoever, trailed is superior in every respect but partly as it’s a much more modern, high tech machine than the self prop it replaced. Operator prefers it mostly for added comfort and speed on the road and far better boom stability / technology - it also travels better in the wet
financially no comparison, less than 50% the capital, much lower running costs and the tractor pulling it does most of our drilling, spreading a bit of light cultivation and grain carting - drooping it on and off takes no loner than dropping off a grain trailer, it certainly doesn’t tie up a tractor full time
I think with a trailed you need to go very high spec / tech if you have been used to self props to avoid disappointment
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- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Surely that included the tractor (which has other uses).
ollie989898
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For the workload described a trailed sounds a bit of a nightmare and will be time consuming to work with.
Need to try a modern CVT tractor with isobus and a sprayer to suit but self propelled seems the way forward. Some of them have good suspension and high road speed these days?
Need to try a modern CVT tractor with isobus and a sprayer to suit but self propelled seems the way forward. Some of them have good suspension and high road speed these days?
It depends if you've replaced a singing dancing sp with a relative poverty spec tractor and trailed.
I did the opposite to you - 20yrs trailed, bought an sp, sold it after a year and bought a new trailed sprayer. 9000acres under it each year, about half of that potatoes. Superior in every respect. Vario tractor and steering axle on the sprayer make it a different animal to time gone by. It turns tighter than the same size sp (4000/24) comfier, quieter, goes further in the wet, cheaper, far more reliable and easier to maintain.
I drove a mounted/front tank rig for a year as a student in the 90's - it was ok, but its much less hassle with one tank and easier to drop a trailed off - 2 mins to drop mine off, 3mins to hitch on. Easy.
In your situation a trailed maybe is a handful in paddocks round trees etc, but how big a proportion of your work is this? A cheap little mounted sprayer specifically for that job might be an easy solution?
I did the opposite to you - 20yrs trailed, bought an sp, sold it after a year and bought a new trailed sprayer. 9000acres under it each year, about half of that potatoes. Superior in every respect. Vario tractor and steering axle on the sprayer make it a different animal to time gone by. It turns tighter than the same size sp (4000/24) comfier, quieter, goes further in the wet, cheaper, far more reliable and easier to maintain.
I drove a mounted/front tank rig for a year as a student in the 90's - it was ok, but its much less hassle with one tank and easier to drop a trailed off - 2 mins to drop mine off, 3mins to hitch on. Easy.
In your situation a trailed maybe is a handful in paddocks round trees etc, but how big a proportion of your work is this? A cheap little mounted sprayer specifically for that job might be an easy solution?
Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
Yes.
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- South wales
I’ve not much experience on sp but have driven this and it was cracking
Went from a SP to trailed. No regrets. Nicer cab, much quieter, more reliable power unit. High spec sprayer and tractor helps. £50k less than the equivalent spec Bateman SP.
I can see the attraction of a SP. Easy in field corners and around trees, poles etc. Tighter turning. Just a thought on older SPs - What would it cost to replace every pump, motor, bearing and boom? If you don't mind lower tech I'm sure you could refurbish an old one for a fraction of the cost of a new one, especially if you're handy with a spanner. Lots of the tech can be retro fitted these days.
I can see the attraction of a SP. Easy in field corners and around trees, poles etc. Tighter turning. Just a thought on older SPs - What would it cost to replace every pump, motor, bearing and boom? If you don't mind lower tech I'm sure you could refurbish an old one for a fraction of the cost of a new one, especially if you're handy with a spanner. Lots of the tech can be retro fitted these days.
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You had to get cover for £200k for your demo machine, which was the tractor and the demount sprayer attached to it.
However, I’m not sure how other Insurers do it, but with the NFU mutual, all machinery that is or can be attached to any tractor is covered in the tractor policy. Therefore, if you were to buy and insure the Fastrac the demount is/is going to be attached to, that demount is automatically covered by the Fastrac’s insurance, even when it is demounted.
What value would you insure a Fastrac for? One hell of a lot less than £200k, that is for sure.
Whereas any SP would have to be insured for the full (£200k?) value.
I think it’s a very valid point regarding the level of spec on each type of machine. It’s a conscious decision not to list makes and models concerned as that’s a whole different topic and has been largely documented on here!
Current trailed machine has arguably higher spec than the SP it replaced, including Norac boom levelling which the SP lacked - I had hoped this would negate the increased awkwardness of the trailed. However, regardless of numerous calibrations and setting changes, I fail to be impressed with the system. It does enough good to allow you to trust it, and then decides it thinks it needs to take down a pylon or two. I’m sure if I ran a Horsch trailed, i would not be entertaining the idea of reverting back - I have heard nothing but amazing reports of them.
Whilst the tractor is still a power shift, it’s full spec but perhaps a vario would make it more pleasant.
Mounted Amazone setup is something to consider, wouldn’t loose capacity and would gain manoeuvrability, something to think on.
Current trailed machine has arguably higher spec than the SP it replaced, including Norac boom levelling which the SP lacked - I had hoped this would negate the increased awkwardness of the trailed. However, regardless of numerous calibrations and setting changes, I fail to be impressed with the system. It does enough good to allow you to trust it, and then decides it thinks it needs to take down a pylon or two. I’m sure if I ran a Horsch trailed, i would not be entertaining the idea of reverting back - I have heard nothing but amazing reports of them.
Whilst the tractor is still a power shift, it’s full spec but perhaps a vario would make it more pleasant.
Mounted Amazone setup is something to consider, wouldn’t loose capacity and would gain manoeuvrability, something to think on.
ollie989898
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Sounds like you want a Fendt or something and an isobus sprayer to try out. No cab full of boxes, set it up so it's all on the stick and it will just be like a self propelled? I know a couple of people who run Knight sprayers etc on modern Masseys and they seem to get on well with them.
I have been thinking along similar lines. I Enjoy the workshop side of farming, and as far as tech goes as you say lots can be retro fitted these days. One look at Avisons ex farm machines for example sees a couple of high hour batemans for around £25k. A £15/£20k investment pot to refurbish would surely create a machine with lots of life in it and tech could be added as one went along.
That being said, the idea of £25k on a machine that’s covered 13000hrs seems crazy, and would still be behind the likes of a Horsch by quite some margin I expect.
if you do any amount of work a wheel motor is a consumable on a machine like a bateman and a BIG bill - we budgeted on x2 a year on our machine as it got older which alone is more than the annual depreciation on our new Horsch trailed
15-20k would not go as far as you think - a rebushing bill (every 6-7k hrs) is about 6- 9k I seem to recall
our bateman sold for 60k at 12k hours IIRC ..... you won’t get a lot for 25k that’s worth having !
bet way to own a bateman is buy new and keep it 19 years plus - ours cost £110k and sold a LOT of acres later for £60 - not a bad machine at all but the trailed is better and cheaper
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The only downside of gradually refurbing an old machine is that when you've just rebuilt one part, another bit lets you down! IMO you'd want excess capacity with an older machine so you can catch up quickly if you've had a couple of days of downtime.
Modern tractors have decent linkage suspension systems. You could retrofit hydraulic accumulators to an older machine.