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Humble Village Farmer

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Typical BBC slant
"Under the outgoing EU system, farmers got taxpayers' money based on the amount of land they farm. The richer the farmer, the more the grant."

Didn't know you had to be rich to get more money? I thought it was based on area farmed not owned!
You're splitting hairs. Tax payers from across society are paying benefits to landowners for owning land.
 

Sid

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South Molton
You're splitting hairs. Tax payers from across society are paying benefits to landowners for owning land.
Tax payers from society are paying benefits to Openreach for owning telephone wires.
Tax payers from society are paying benefits to British nuclear fuels for owning waste processing plants.
Tax payers from society are paying benefits to Network rail for owning railway lines.


Do you get the drift?
 

Northern territory

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I don’t see how you can cap environmental payments on farm size. The more land available means the more ‘public goods’ that can be provided.
That’s what will happen but you know where I am coming from. It was said capping should come in for the current regime as It wasn’t a level playing field.
 
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Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
Surely if you have the land mass , you are going to have a larger area to do more environmental options and potentially claim more money ( obviously if the sums stack up) only capping will prevent larger farms , estates getting bigger payouts but that then means they will only do a fraction of the work they would have with negativeeffectto the environment, personally I believe it's a smoke screen to shake the tree let those that will survive do so and the smaller go to the wall ,the money will seen to be there as farming support but the reality will possibly be that sum don't stack up , we've had a clue to the moral support to expect from the Government over its decision not to support an amendment to the Ag Bill re- imported foods been produced to domestic standards, so I wouldn't expect alot if any worth while support in monetary terms

You say the government. I think it important to correct you - it is the behest of the Conservative and Unionist Party.
 

Hampton

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Shropshire
Value of public good delivered?
I can’t remember the figures but you often hear, Ag costs water companies £x.x billon, ammonia releases from Ag costs public health £x.x billion. Loss of habitat from Ag (??!) costs UK £x.x billion. Flooding caused by Ag costs £x.x billion. I don’t pretend to know how on earth they put a figure on some of them, but they always seem to come up with an impressively large amount!
Biggest problem is why pay me to stop farming, when you could just stop paying me to farm and get similar results!
Had a conversation with someone from Adas on Friday about there farm to tap metaldehyde scheme.
She asked what I thought of it, I said it was crap.
One hint the product gets banned and the cut the payment rate.
My view is give us an incentive.
Test for more Chems and give us £25/ha as a reward for keeping them out of the water.
It’s all cheaper than them cleaning them out of the water anyway and the cash comes from govt to be passed down.
min our area, the river water is clean by our farm anyway (they test it every 30 seconds as that is where the water company are extracting it)
 

ajd132

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Suffolk
Had a conversation with someone from Adas on Friday about there farm to tap metaldehyde scheme.
She asked what I thought of it, I said it was crap.
One hint the product gets banned and the cut the payment rate.
My view is give us an incentive.
Test for more Chems and give us £25/ha as a reward for keeping them out of the water.
It’s all cheaper than them cleaning them out of the water anyway and the cash comes from govt to be passed down.
min our area, the river water is clean by our farm anyway (they test it every 30 seconds as that is where the water company are extracting it)
I don’t think we should be paid not to cause pollution....
 

Humble Village Farmer

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Essex
Tax payers from society are paying benefits to Openreach for owning telephone wires.
Tax payers from society are paying benefits to British nuclear fuels for owning waste processing plants.
Tax payers from society are paying benefits to Network rail for owning railway lines.


Do you get the drift?
Yes but in the case of agricultural subsidies in the UK, the recipients are largely wealthy individuals or families.
 

Tubbylew

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Herefordshire
Quote 'This should increase the UK’s low levels of farm productivity, because experts say younger farmers are typically more willing to try new methods'

Yey, good on you youngsters, feck off you useless old cronies
Speaking as a (reasonably) youngster, I can't see a great queue of folks waiting to farm for f**k all in this neck of the woods, it frankly boils my pee that the previous generation, having received many thousands of pounds in support over the last 10 years, will likely get more thousands in a lump to "exit the industry" and leave the next generation with little prospects and no support what so ever. And when I say support I don't nessesarilly mean financial, I just don't think they want agriculture full stop.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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Who owns the most shares in the company's I mentioned.......let's think

Open your eyes
Once you get into quoted shares, the demographics change quite considerably. Most quoted companies are owned by pension funds, life assurance etc; more the man in the street than your range rover types.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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    Votes: 80 42.3%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 66 34.9%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 15.9%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 7 3.7%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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