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[Humble Village Farmer]

Best to plan for none I think. I reckon max £30-40/ha?

Somewhere round there. It's got to be enough that farmers will do as they're told to avoid penalties.

 

[serf]

Dyson will be selling up

I know you are being tongue in cheek , but doubt he is spending £400M+ on land and infrastructure just to collect a few quid per acre in comparison!

 

[Sid]

We have had many years to prepare for the loss of subs yet still there appears to be those who want still get their yearly fix, how many of those who take on FBT land say the sub just goes to the land owner ? So why are they worried by it going, rents will plummet if farming isnt profitable, inputs will need to follow, machinery prices will drop.
The going gets tough the tough get going, if it gets as bad as the 1930's which is very unlikely the same will happen, a whole new generation of young keen vibrant generation of farmers will emerge.
Too many of the current one has become too used to get their fix and taking on more ground just to willy wave over how many acres they farm.

Plenty of threads discussing what stage their handout is at!

 

[Sid]

Best to plan for none I think. I reckon max £30-40/ha?

Gossip is someone locally has just tendered over £200 for bare land.
Not and AD plant either!

 

[steveR]

Best to plan for none I think. I reckon max £30-40/ha?

Low enough, that many will offer up 2 fingers to the prospect of continuing involvment with the RPA for a meagre pittance.

 

[Northern territory]

Imbalance in terms of those with and without. Never seemed much of an issue a few years ago.

But there is no relation to earning potential, it’s just a tax dodge.

 

[robs1]

Plenty of threads discussing what stage their handout is at!

Would be a great photo op for the guardian if we had to queue up at the dole office for it, all those shiny range rovers parked up

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Will you still be posting ?

Of course! Probably more guff than now.

 

[ajd132]

Gossip is someone locally has just tendered over £200 for bare land.
Not and AD plant either!

Depends how good the land is and what their system was. But you couldn’t pay that without bps included on the land.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

This is very true. Subsidised EU agriculture is coming to an end, maybe EU agriculture is coming to an end?

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I keep banging on, something may stick eventually.

 

[ajd132]

Somewhere round there. It's got to be enough that farmers will do as they're told to avoid penalties.

I don’t think that is enough for the hassle. There is a lot of hidden costs in these schemes

 

[neilo]

Dyson will be selling up

You might get lucky. He might sell you a 300ac franchise...

 

[neilo]

We have had many years to prepare for the loss of subs yet still there appears to be those who want still get their yearly fix, how many of those who take on FBT land say the sub just goes to the land owner ? So why are they worried by it going, rents will plummet if farming isnt profitable, inputs will need to follow, machinery prices will drop.
The going gets tough the tough get going, if it gets as bad as the 1930's which is very unlikely the same will happen, a whole new generation of young keen vibrant generation of farmers will emerge.
Too many of the current one has become too used to get their fix and taking on more ground just to willy wave over how many acres they farm.

Sitting on a farm bought and paid for in better times by any chance?

There will be business failures, life savings lost and suicides before rents on anything but those ‘extra’ acres drops appreciably. I don’t understand how anyone can consider that a good thing.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

I don’t think that is enough for the hassle. There is a lot of hidden costs in these schemes

Average farm size 400 acres X £30 =12000. Enough to keep within the rules I would suggest.

It will all go out of the window if the massive shortages they keep predicting ever materialise.

 

[ajd132]

Average farm size 400 acres X £30 =12000. Enough to keep within the rules I would suggest.

It will all go out of the window if the massive shortages they keep predicting ever materialise.

I was talking in hectares £4800

 

[ajd132]

We have had many years to prepare for the loss of subs yet still there appears to be those who want still get their yearly fix, how many of those who take on FBT land say the sub just goes to the land owner ? So why are they worried by it going, rents will plummet if farming isnt profitable, inputs will need to follow, machinery prices will drop.
The going gets tough the tough get going, if it gets as bad as the 1930's which is very unlikely the same will happen, a whole new generation of young keen vibrant generation of farmers will emerge.
Too many of the current one has become too used to get their fix and taking on more ground just to willy wave over how many acres they farm.

Future is exciting. Bring it on.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

I was talking in hectares £4800

Yes you were, I have reread your post! I think I would be tempted to stick two fingers up at that. In fact I would pay something in that order to make them go away.

 

[DRC]

We have had many years to prepare for the loss of subs yet still there appears to be those who want still get their yearly fix, how many of those who take on FBT land say the sub just goes to the land owner ? So why are they worried by it going, rents will plummet if farming isnt profitable, inputs will need to follow, machinery prices will drop.
The going gets tough the tough get going, if it gets as bad as the 1930's which is very unlikely the same will happen, a whole new generation of young keen vibrant generation of farmers will emerge.
Too many of the current one has become too used to get their fix and taking on more ground just to willy wave over how many acres they farm.

You won’t see a group of young men and women taking on 3/400 acres each though.
it’ll mean the very big operators getting even bigger . Our estate doesn’t re let any family sized farms anymore . There’s 3 sets of what were good buildings and houses, just going to rack and ruin here, with the land all going to one preferred tenant on FBT .
The landlords can’t be bothered to do up the old farmhouses and can’t be short of money as they don’t sell them off.
These were farms supporting good sized dairy herds with some sheep and arable and 2/3 families making a living.
Families that sent their children to the village school, used the shop, pub etc.
A lot of the land also isn’t suitable for a big no till drill to turn round in.
I’m interested in what future you see for these type of farms.

 

[neilo]

You won’t see a group of young men and women taking on 3/400 acres each though.
it’ll mean the very big operators getting even bigger . Our estate doesn’t re let any family sized farms anymore . There’s 3 sets of what were good buildings and houses, just going to rack and ruin here, with the land all going to one preferred tenant on FBT .
The landlords can’t be bothered to do up the old farmhouses and can’t be short of money as they don’t sell them off.
These were farms supporting good sized dairy herds with some sheep and arable and 2/3 families making a living.
Families that sent their children to the village school, used the shop, pub etc.
A lot of the land also isn’t suitable for a big no till drill to turn round in.
I’m interested in what future you see for these type of farms.

But...

Future is exciting. Bring it on.

 

[DRC]

Future is exciting. Bring it on.

With respect I don’t see what your type of operation does for rural communities .
Maybe that doesn’t matter to you ?