FTTP on Demand

[lm1000000]

The model is based on a partnership between us as the fibre provider and the landowner/farmer.

The landowner would be given access to a portal which shows how many paying customers the network has and (this includes the profitability of the network). Revenues are split and a payment is made monthly as part of the partnership agreement. Typically the payment to the landowner is 10% of the profit per month but can be negotiated. Yes, there may be times goodwill would be needed (from both sides) but that is the case with most partnerships.

When possible the gigabit voucher scheme would be used to fund the network.

There are still the usual hurdles to negotiate though: Is it cost effective being the number one problem (the cost for us to deliver a network is significantly less than Openreach).



What we do is:

Arrange a point for Openreach to terminate their fibre.

Install our fibre network from this point.

Configure, support and bill the network.

Supply overlaying services (VOIP, data back up, web security etc).


We are delivering a test project for Northumberland council to deliver a 1000Mb full fibre network to a housing estate that currently has poor broadband. We have connected over 300 businesses to gigabit capable broadband since the scheme began (with a further 400+ projected in the first 6 months of 2019, all of which are full fibre).


This model may not work for everyone (which is fine). I thought I would make people aware there are alternatives and I would be happy to discuss further if anyone would like to give me a call.

Thanks,

Lee

 

[lm1000000]

Current promise is March - but seeing is believing
A new duct was installed just before Christmas where the BT cables go under the power lines. so maybe progress

Fingers crossed it will be March. If ducting has been installed it shouldn't be that long.... (famous last words!?).

If it rumbles on past March feel free to get in touch. As of April 3rd party companies are allowed in to BT ducts. This means another supplier could deliver the services using the duct they have just installed (oh the irony).

 

[ollie989898]

Ok, so there is a BT lid in the road, right at the end of my drive. The distance to my house would be 25 metres or less. Can I get fibre to my house?

 

[upnortheast]

Ok, so there is a BT lid in the road, right at the end of my drive. The distance to my house would be 25 metres or less. Can I get fibre to my house?

Not an expert, but I understand they need an existing Aggregation Node to connect into.for FTTP
Probably very unlikely there is one under your lid, - you may be lucky
For FTTC the service comes from your nearest green cabinet over existing copper wires. Speeds drop the further from the cabinet you are as shown below
Distance to cabinet (metres) Estimated downstream connection speed Estimated upstream connection speed Cumulative %'age of premises at this distance
100m 100 Mbps 25 Mbps 5%
150m 80 Mbps 20 Mbps 10%
200m 65 Mbps 18 Mbps 20%
300m 45 Mbps 17 Mbps 30%
400m 42 Mbps 16 Mbps 45%
500m 38 Mbps 15 Mbps 60%
600m 35 Mbps 14 Mbps 70%
700m 32 Mbps 11 Mbps 75%
800m 28 Mbps 10 Mbps 80%
900m 25 Mbps 9 Mbps 85%
1000m 24 Mbps 8 Mbps 90%
1250m 17 Mbps 5 Mbps 95%
1500m 15 Mbps 4 Mbps 98%

 

[ollie989898]

Not an expert, but I understand they need an existing Aggregation Node to connect into.for FTTP
Probably very unlikely there is one under your lid, - you may be lucky
For FTTC the service comes from your nearest green cabinet over existing copper wires. Speeds drop the further from the cabinet you are as shown below
Distance to cabinet (metres) Estimated downstream connection speed Estimated upstream connection speed Cumulative %'age of premises at this distance
100m 100 Mbps 25 Mbps 5%
150m 80 Mbps 20 Mbps 10%
200m 65 Mbps 18 Mbps 20%
300m 45 Mbps 17 Mbps 30%
400m 42 Mbps 16 Mbps 45%
500m 38 Mbps 15 Mbps 60%
600m 35 Mbps 14 Mbps 70%
700m 32 Mbps 11 Mbps 75%
800m 28 Mbps 10 Mbps 80%
900m 25 Mbps 9 Mbps 85%
1000m 24 Mbps 8 Mbps 90%
1250m 17 Mbps 5 Mbps 95%
1500m 15 Mbps 4 Mbps 98%

Ah, the cabinet is in the street up the lane, it is less than 100m I would say, I get around 90mb on a good day, certainly 85 meg plus sustained.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

As said for On Demand FTTP it’s your distance to the aggregation node that drives cost. Distance to your local green cabinet and even telephone exchange is irrelevant.

My fibre connection will come from Ipswich exchange and not my nearest copper/telephone exchange which is Waldringfield.

My fibre Aggregation Node is about just over 1 mile and 32+ poles away.

 

[steveR]

Email today from the lady coodinating things for the 29 properties down our road, - Openreach have been unable to resolve issues with Wayleaves so are unable to proceed.
Which is strange as there are poles to every property already in place.
Had enough of Openreach promises
Time to look at solutions from local Air Nexus provider. I think. We just happen to have a shed roof idealy placed to bounce a signal from their local repeater "round the corner" to a hamlet up the road

IKWYM!

I have had OpenWoe tell me that there were problems with the Wayleaves on the poles getting to the farm. I pointed out that whoever informed them that there was an issue, was lying, as I own the land on which ALL the poles are sited after the line leaves the public highway! Made no difference mind....

 

[steveR]

I think plenty of government subcontractors like Carillion....such as Amey etc. are running a potential knife edge. The local governments now struggle to function without them.....and the contracts just seem to get shared around in turn - one takes it on, charges a fortune, does a shocking job, gets kicked out, the next promises better, never quite keeps those promises etc etc. Almost like some farm lets/FBTs/CFAs.

The trouble is without one firm or another doing the job, the job (to whatever standard!) would never get done.

Aye, we are seeing that big time locally... And no employees within the Local authorities now has the expertise to question the Primary Contractor, so the Council get in a hugely overpaid Contract consultant to monitor the work! He/She is often ex Contractor, or occasionally ex local govt! 'effing Barking!!

 

[lm1000000]

Ok, so there is a BT lid in the road, right at the end of my drive. The distance to my house would be 25 metres or less. Can I get fibre to my house?

The short answer is yes.

The long answer is yes BUT....

First of all we would have to check if there was fibre under the "lid", we would need a postcode in order to check what is available. If there is, then see the short answer. If there isn't it gets a bit more complicated and costly. It is a LOT easier to get a leased line than a FTTC (think of a leased line as a private connection and is around 8-10 times the cost of FTTC/ADSL) .

If you have neighbours with a similar problem to you and you are all looking to improve your internet speeds, it would be easier (in my opinion), to get a leased line and share it between you and your neighbours (again, this is if there is no fibre under the lid).

The long answer is not impossible, we would need some information to do some checks and see what options there are.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

When I looked into it recently, leased lines were cheaper to install (capex) but the ongoing opex/rental would have been crippling and untenable for us doing it alone.

As it is FTTPoD rental is bad enough for the first 12-months, after which it reduces and there are (slightly) more ISPs offering FTTP.

The only way to defray the HUGE ongoing cost on a leased line, would be to have a shared use agreement signed up with immediate neighbours. However that’s a massive IF and in my case they weren’t up for it/not in a position or unable to justify the cost (retired folks, regular mom/pop homes etc. or just general tight-arses )

 

[ollie989898]

The short answer is yes.

The long answer is yes BUT....

First of all we would have to check if there was fibre under the "lid", we would need a postcode in order to check what is available. If there is, then see the short answer. If there isn't it gets a bit more complicated and costly. It is a LOT easier to get a leased line than a FTTC (think of a leased line as a private connection and is around 8-10 times the cost of FTTC/ADSL) .

If you have neighbours with a similar problem to you and you are all looking to improve your internet speeds, it would be easier (in my opinion), to get a leased line and share it between you and your neighbours (again, this is if there is no fibre under the lid).

The long answer is not impossible, we would need some information to do some checks and see what options there are.

I can't see the problem. Surely, if BT want to gather and retain business, they should go around running cables to people's homes and setting up a 10 year contract with folk in order to recoup the installation cost? It does not cost them anything like £15 a month to provide broadband and voice to this house.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

New year update....

“Openreach advised that the civils to clear blockages has been delayed due to the council advising that there is a Christmas embargo. Permits were granted for 06/01/19.”

Still waiting on a pole to get replaced too...just need a well timed winter storm

The Provisioning Administrator from Cerberus had sent me the wrong update

This is the correct sequence of updates, as quoted from an email I just received...

Sorry for the confusion, below are the last 3 updates from Openreach, seems like I had by mistakenly sent you incorrect updates.


Update as on 20/12/2018

Underground cabling has been completed. Overhead allocator is currently awaiting one of the decayed poles to be replaced before they can complete. Assett Assurance aware and have passed to supplier to deal. Once complete we will chase for jointing to commence.


Update as on 03/01/2019

Overhead allocator is currently awaiting one of the decayed poles to be replaced before they can complete. Assett Assurance aware and have passed to supplier to deal. This has been re-chased for an update.
Once complete we will chase for jointing to commence.


Update as on 10/01/2019:

Contractors are progressing on the back of the escalation and we should expect an update this next week.


Update as on 17/01/2019:

Openreach are chasing for the completion notice of the pole work the ECD for this work was the 15/01. As soon as we get the completion notice we will let you know.


Hope this helps, apologies for the inconvenience.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

The reality is that the rotten pole has been replaced this side of Christmas and there are no blocked ducts - as I spoke to the crew doing the work

Just amusing how very disjointed and delayed are the lines of communication within OR and thence to their customers (my ISP). Oh the irony for companies providing communications services

 

[upnortheast]

Just amusing how very disjointed and delayed are the lines of communication

Lots of words I would use before "amusing "

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Lots of words I would use before "amusing "

Attempting to make light of the situation. You either laugh or cry. Better to laugh.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Surely, if BT want to gather and retain business, they should go around running cables to people's homes and setting up a 10 year contract with folk in order to recoup the installation cost?

BT would be the last mutha fudgers I’d want a 10 year agreement with! I was quite happy to escape their clutches when we had a copper landline. Imagine how crestfallen I was when I heard that they had bought EE. barstewards. Still they have left well enough alone and my EE 4G broadband potters along quite nicely until this FTTP nonsense gets sorted.

My 12 month FTTPoD agreement will be via Cerberus, after which time my service goes “native” FTTP, sub prices substantially reduce and should I desire to churn, I get to have a wider variety of FTTP capable ISPs.

 

[Steevo]

Any further news @Pheasant Surprise?

Thought of this today as noticed Gigaclear are due to start roadworks in the carriageway installing the FTTP fibre. For once they've kept to one of their own deadlines (after delaying it several times from previous deadlines!)

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Any further news @Pheasant Surprise?

Thought of this today as noticed Gigaclear are due to start roadworks in the carriageway installing the FTTP fibre. For once they've kept to one of their own deadlines (after delaying it several times from previous deadlines!)

Fraid not. Have just fired off another chaser, so will see what they have to report for the last few weeks of “effort”.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Overhead fibre has all been pulled in, except for the last pole where its waiting coiled up with the new copper lead in, for the last leg into to our place.

We’ve been waiting on the jointing team now for a few weeks...they must be flat out (enjoying the weather )

 

[sjt01]

Overhead fibre has all been pulled in, except for the last pole where its waiting coiled up with the new copper lead in, for the last leg into to our place.

We’ve been waiting on the jointing team now for a few weeks...they must be flat out (enjoying the weather )

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Openreach are in our village most days, as our FTTP system went live a month ago and villagers are cottoning on. I am averaging 300 down and 60 up these days, now on a Draytek router as BT could not get their Business Hub 5 or Hub 6 to do port forwarding on the WAN port. BT gave me £60 towards the Draytek. Most impressed with Draytek phone support, they even send an email summarising what they have done to fix the problem, so you don't need to phone again if you forget.