General Election

[Hilly]

That's a bold statement!

Every other country in the work "survives by itself."

TSS

Aye, and have you seen the state of some of them, sh!t holes alot of them in comparison to UK.

 

[hindmaist]

Scotland sought the union of the crowns to bail them out of the Darian fiasco, if we adopt the EU type stance, Scotland will face a hefty bill when the compound interest is added on which I doubt the oil will cover?

Havers.

 

[Jackson4]

I reckon she cares more about Scotlands rural communities than Theresa May does.All she's interested in is dragging more wealth into SE England.

Look, you have all these devolved powers, your own parliament with your own ministers, your independance lass is in charge of 56 out of 59 mp's in westminster, running virtually all of Scotland, the barnett formula takes money out of our pockets and puts it in yours, you have free tuition fees, free prescriptions etc.. do you think you could maybe take 'some' responsibility for what happens up there?

 

[Jackson4]

If Theresa May can't debate on TV
(I agree the formats are pretty poor)
what hope does she have debating with EU?

TSS

Honestly its like a child wrote this.. if you cant ride the plastic tractor how can we trust you at hide and seek!
are you saying because Farron or Corbyn are going to be on the telly they are best placed to negotiate with the EU? Hmmm ok.

 

[Jackson4]

To seek independence for your country is a noble thing.Washington,Ghandi,Collins etc.....I don't consider William Wallace a disgrace.I consider him a patriot and hero.Different folks have different perspectives on things,I suppose.

I get that i'd be the same, i hope you get independance and i think it will end up working i just hope that after getting continually blamed for all your ills and us down here being less of a person in someway i dont have to take money out of our families pockets to bail you out.

 

[hindmaist]

Look, you have all these devolved powers, your own parliament with your own ministers, the lass in charge has 56 out of 59 mp's in westminster, the barnett formula takes money out of our pockets and puts it in yours, you have free tuition fees, free prescriptions etc.. do you think you could maybe take 'some' responsibility for what happens up there?

I think we should take all responsibilities like every other country.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I think we should take all responsibilities like every other country.

There has been a seed change in my area of the UK about Scotland.

Most people want the Anti English Scottish gone ... if it was down to a vote in my area you'd be gone and the border wall in place.

We don't want the likes of the SNP in our lives.

Pay for your own lives in your own taxes like everyone else does.

 

[hindmaist]

There has been a seed change in my area of the UK about Scotland.

Most people want the Anti English Scottish gone ... if it was down to a vote in my area you'd be gone and the border wall in place.

We don't want the likes of the SNP in our lives.

Pay for your own lives in your own taxes like everyone else does.

Anti English? Do you really think people are anti English because they want to govern themselves? 10% of people living in Scotland were born in England.I don't want them gone.

 

[Dave6170]

That's a bold statement!

Every other country in the world "survives by itself."

TSS

If they do why does the uk have a 12 billion foreign aid budget?

 

[Muck Spreader]

There has been a seed change in my area of the UK about Scotland.

Most people want the Anti English Scottish gone ... if it was down to a vote in my area you'd be gone and the border wall in place.

We don't want the likes of the SNP in our lives.

Pay for your own lives in your own taxes like everyone else does.

What's a "seed change"

 

[ThatsSomeSheep]

If they do why does the uk have a 12 billion foreign aid budget?

Granted there is a difference between surviving and thriving.

I'm no expert but I think it mainly comes down to resources, water in particular.

The fact that the Uk (as far as I am aware) still donates to advanced economies like India is beyond me!

TSS

 

[Billhook]

What's a "seed change"

Having your balls cut off?

 

[ThatsSomeSheep]

Honestly its like a child wrote this.. if you cant ride the plastic tractor how can we trust you at hide and seek!
are you saying because Farron or Corbyn are going to be on the telly they are best placed to negotiate with the EU? Hmmm ok.

Sorry, just because I surmised in a few words instead of wringing out an essay.

I think you know exactly what my point is. May is not, imho, a great debater. I think this would be evident if she took part in tv debate, hence her refusal to do so.

I happen to think we will need someone with better debating skills than May to negotiate Brexit.

I wouldn't let Corbyn negotiate a shopping list, and I'm not 100% sure what Farron brings to table.

TSS

 

[linga]

Sorry, just because I surmised in a few words instead of wringing out an essay.

I think you know exactly what my point is. May is not, imho, a great debater. I think this would be evident if she took part in tv debate, hence her refusal to do so.

I happen to think we will need someone with better debating skills than May to negotiate Brexit.

I wouldn't let Corbyn negotiate a shopping list, and I'm not 100% sure what Farron brings to table.

TSS

But there is a difference between debating and negotiating.
The tv debates are just entertainment and dont really add much to the choices we have to make. They just pander to the soundbite mentality that politics has become.
I would much rather politicians of all sorts made direct contact with voters without the stage management that is the usual these days.
I think Theresa May might be quite difficult to negotiate with myself, in fact didnt one of her ministers say exactly that when asked what she was like to work with ?

 

[turbo]

Sorry, just because I surmised in a few words instead of wringing out an essay.

I think you know exactly what my point is. May is not, imho, a great debater. I think this would be evident if she took part in tv debate, hence her refusal to do so.

I happen to think we will need someone with better debating skills than May to negotiate Brexit.

I wouldn't let Corbyn negotiate a shopping list, and I'm not 100% sure what Farron brings to table.

TSS

Wrong,we don't need a debaters we need a negotiater ,there is a big difference. I fail to see what a leadership debate on tv will achive after all I carnt vote for them only for the candidate in my area and with the left leaning anti brexit tv media what's the point it won't be a fair reflection of the wider population in the audience,it never is you only have to look at question time to see how one sided they are.

 

[turbo]

But there is a difference between debating and negotiating.
The tv debates are just entertainment and dont really add much to the choices we have to make. They just pander to the soundbite mentality that politics has become.
I would much rather politicians of all sorts made direct contact with voters without the stage management that is the usual these days.
I think Theresa May might be quite difficult to negotiate with myself, in fact didnt one of her ministers say exactly that when asked what she was like to work with ?

You beet me too it and probably wrote it better than me anyway

 

[arbel]

What's a "seed change"

That happens when a farmer plants poppy seeds instead of oil seed rape. Easy really!

 

[Jackson4]

Sorry, just because I surmised in a few words instead of wringing out an essay.

I think you know exactly what my point is. May is not, imho, a great debater. I think this would be evident if she took part in tv debate, hence her refusal to do so.

I happen to think we will need someone with better debating skills than May to negotiate Brexit.

I wouldn't let Corbyn negotiate a shopping list, and I'm not 100% sure what Farron brings to table.

TSS

Whether May is practised in the art of spouting sh*t and getting the general population to believe it is neither here nor there when it comes to the EU. I would argue all over the western world people are getting rid of politicians along these lines.. using hand gestures, acting, sounding like the everyday person, approaching the audience one to one cause you really care so much.
It used to be just wearing a suit etc equals honest/intelligent/good at your job.. the likes of Bill Clinton accused of rape and many sexual abuse cases, Tony Blair clearly a lying psychopath, Cameron waving his hands about to make a point i just thought was cheesy, same with Clegg and Ruth Davison whos trying to out Maggie May.

Anyway, how many people actually watch a TV debate and think that was interesting? mostly its just tiresome party politics and being a good politician ie avoiding questions, evading, lying, slinging mud if someone has slung it at you, being a hypocrite etc. You can put Robertson/Salmond and Sturgeon in that.

Negotiating with the EU is about being a talisman and leader, sounding strong and determined and setting your stall out about what you want. I was no fan of May but i think everything she has said and done has been right. Can you imagine the deal we would get if Corbyn/Farron/Sturgeon/Lucas were running the show? You've scared us we give in, i expect. The actual negotiating will be done by the negotiators i hope anyway.

 

[arbel]

Whether May is practised in the art of spouting sh*t and getting the general population to believe it is neither here nor there when it comes to the EU. I would argue all over the western world people are getting rid of politicians along these lines.. using hand gestures, acting, sounding like the everyday person, approaching the audience one to one cause you really care so much.
It used to be just wearing a suit etc equals honest/intelligent/good at your job.. the likes of Bill Clinton accused of rape and many sexual abuse cases, Tony Blair clearly a lying psychopath, Cameron waving his hands about to make a point i just thought was cheesy, same with Clegg and Ruth Davison whos trying to out Maggie May.

Anyway, how many people actually watch a TV debate and think that was interesting? mostly its just tiresome party politics and being a good politician ie avoiding questions, evading, lying, slinging mud if someone has slung it at you, being a hypocrite etc. You can put Robertson/Salmond and Sturgeon in that.

Negotiating with the EU is about being a talisman and leader, sounding strong and determined and setting your stall out about what you want. I was no fan of May but i think everything she has said and done has been right. Can you imagine the deal we would get if Corbyn/Farron/Sturgeon/Lucas were running the show? You've scared us we give in, i expect. The actual negotiating will be done by the negotiators i hope anyway.

Fundamentally, I would agree with you. Theresa May is the figurehead behind the negotiations. She is doing well so far. But she will be supported by a huge team of experienced civil servants.

If she is given her head to get on with the negotiations for Brexit, I feel confident that a good outcome can be achieved. The continual sniping from opposing MP's and other party leaders is only confusing matters and increasing the workload. To no good effect at all.

Face to face so called debates on live TV with the other politicos serves no useful purpose at all. It's just a circus and used by the TV companies to boost their ratings. Brexit is a serious matter and does not need to be trivialised by a bunch of self seekers whose primary aim is to wound and diminish our Prime Minister. Hopefully a good outcome at the Election can lead to a good result in two years time.

I am not incidentally a member of the Tory party.

 

[The Donald]

Fundamentally, I would agree with you. Theresa May is the figurehead behind the negotiations. She is doing well so far. But she will be supported by a huge team of experienced civil servants.

If she is given her head to get on with the negotiations for Brexit, I feel confident that a good outcome can be achieved. The continual sniping from opposing MP's and other party leaders is only confusing matters and increasing the workload. To no good effect at all.

Face to face so called debates on live TV with the other politicos serves no useful purpose at all. It's just a circus and used by the TV companies to boost their ratings. Brexit is a serious matter and does not need to be trivialised by a bunch of self seekers whose primary aim is to wound and diminish our Prime Minister. Hopefully a good outcome at the Election can lead to a good result in two years time.

I am not incidentally a member of the Tory party.

Looks the opposite to me actually. I think she is going to the country expecting to get an overwhelming majority in the house. Enough of a majority and more besides to basically negotiate the softest possible Brexit deal. We are looking I'm afraid at being outside the EU but at the same time so tied into its rules and regulations that nothing will have changed in reality.
Topping it all now is soundings from USA that it will engage seriously with EU to sign a trade deal in preference to any such deal with UK.