General Election

arbel

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This General Election is rather different from normal. The general public may have their attention focussed on the usual issues of the NHS, Education, Pensions etc., but none of us can escape the fact that probably the overriding issue is that of Brexit.

The approaching separation from the EU will most certainly have an effect on the normal election issues. Hence, from my perspective, my vote will go to the party whose leader and team I think can make the best job of the complex process.

Looking very carefully at the Parties who stand a chance of running the government for the next few years, I can only see one that that has the skills and expertise to pull off a good job. We will need stability and a clear focus over the next two years. This applies to farming and business in general.

There are a lot of comments about Theresa May being a Remainer, as was much of her team. But fair play to the lady, she has invoked Article 50 and has clearly stated that we will be leaving the EU and on terms that suit us. I don't think there will be any backsliding or fudge from TM. Now the other Party leaders are all milling around in disarray, talking about soft Brexit, another Referendum or even trying to cancel the Article 50 notification altogether. We even have the old ghoul Tony Blair trying to muscle in again.

Regardless of whether you are of a Tory, Labour, Lib-Dem or other persuasion, a vote for the Tories will strengthen our current Prime Ministers position, so that she can focus on getting the best possible deal for the UK. It's vital that we do so, but her task is made much more difficult by those who continually try and trip her up and who have their own interest more at heart than those of the nation.
 
I believe Brexit is lying prostrate on a hospital trolley right now. The general election and landslide victory for TM will shunt it into the ICU.
TM I'm afraid will be the lady who delivers such a watered down anemic Brexit that we won't really be able to distinguish between life, rules, regulations, in the Brexit afterlife compared to life in the EU.
I also get a distinct impression that the most ardent Brexit voices in the Conservative Party seem to be getting ever and ever more silent on the subject. Has fatigue become a factor I wonder? Maybe they don't have the courage of their convictions and prefer to leave the heavy lifting to the lady :banghead:
 

arbel

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Pembrokeshire
I believe Brexit is lying prostrate on a hospital trolley right now. The general election and landslide victory for TM will shunt it into the ICU.
TM I'm afraid will be the lady who delivers such a watered down anemic Brexit that we won't really be able to distinguish between life, rules, regulations, in the Brexit afterlife compared to life in the EU.
I also get a distinct impression that the most ardent Brexit voices in the Conservative Party seem to be getting ever and ever more silent on the subject. Has fatigue become a factor I wonder? Maybe they don't have the courage of their convictions and prefer to leave the heavy lifting to the lady :banghead:

Don't lose heart - have confidence. Like most Prime Ministers, Theresa May will be very much looking to achieve a decent legacy, when she eventually leaves the job. Her predecessors certainly didn't!!

Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron - none of them have a placard in the hall of fame. TM is not a soft touch and when (not if) she gets back in with a decent majority, it is highly likely that there will be a night of the long knives immediately afterwards and hopefully, some of the wimps and doubters in her own Party will be looking for alternative employment.

There will probably be a sorting out in the other Parties of some consequence too.
 

Muck Spreader

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Don't lose heart - have confidence. Like most Prime Ministers, Theresa May will be very much looking to achieve a decent legacy, when she eventually leaves the job. Her predecessors certainly didn't!!

Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron - none of them have a placard in the hall of fame. TM is not a soft touch and when (not if) she gets back in with a decent majority, it is highly likely that there will be a night of the long knives immediately afterwards and hopefully, some of the wimps and doubters in her own Party will be looking for alternative employment.

There will probably be a sorting out in the other Parties of some consequence too.

I think you maybe presupposing something here. It could well be the case that she is looking for an increased majority so she doesn't have to humour the hard-line Brexiteers during her negotiations with Europe. After all she is a remainer as is her constituency, and she plays her cards very close to her chest, so who knows.
 
I think you maybe presupposing something here. It could well be the case that she is looking for an increased majority so she doesn't have to humour the hard-line Brexiteers during her negotiations with Europe. After all she is a remainer as is her constituency, and she plays her cards very close to her chest, so who knows.

That's exactly her game. She is simply diluting the strength of the "hard Brexit" members of her party. At the end of the day she knows that a so called soft Brexit with delay and dilution on immigration policies, tying up a trade deal with EU (meaning acceptance of regulations, paying large amounts of cash to EU, acceptance of ECJ authority over wide tranches of law,) will easily pass the house with her large majority plus willing support from opposition for the non Brexit Brexit solution! She likes I think, non alcoholic alcohol and her eggs without the yoke :banghead:.
 

arbel

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Location
Pembrokeshire
That's exactly her game. She is simply diluting the strength of the "hard Brexit" members of her party. At the end of the day she knows that a so called soft Brexit with delay and dilution on immigration policies, tying up a trade deal with EU (meaning acceptance of regulations, paying large amounts of cash to EU, acceptance of ECJ authority over wide tranches of law,) will easily pass the house with her large majority plus willing support from opposition for the non Brexit Brexit solution! She likes I think, non alcoholic alcohol and her eggs without the yoke :banghead:.
As the Chinaman, who went to work on an egg said, when he couldn't start it in the morning - " pull yolk out, egg all white now"

I doubt that you are right, but we will all have to wait and see how events pan out.
 
Ours is. And does.
Another one to add is Ian Lavery, MP for Wansbeck. Born and bred in Ashington. I do not agree with his political views, but that is not important. The only objection I have to him is that in his Wikipedia profile he appears to be wearing my old school tie and I am fairly sure he did not go there. My MIL was one of his teachers. Must find out about the tie.
 

JP1

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hindmaist

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Can she sell a Brexit which isn't really much of a Brexit at all to her party? To the country? Well,she'll have the BBC on message.Forty eight percent of the population will be relieved.The fifty two percent who voted leave will be split but a lot of them will believe the media when they sell it as "all fine and dandy".The hard brexiteers in the Tory party will just have to suck it up because they've no where else to go now.
 

turbo

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Arable Farmer
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lincs
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Can she sell a Brexit which isn't really much of a Brexit at all to her party? To the country? Well,she'll have the BBC on message.Forty eight percent of the population will be relieved.The fifty two percent who voted leave will be split but a lot of them will believe the media when they sell it as "all fine and dandy".The hard brexiteers in the Tory party will just have to suck it up because they've no where else to go now.
there isn't such a thing as hard or soft brexit,the British people voted out with every thing that it involves.Soft brexit is just a way of the libtards keeping us in and even though I was a remain voter anything less than a total break will be the worst of both worlds,we might as well pull our trousers down now because they will royaly shaft us with anything less than full brexit
 

jendan

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
That's exactly her game. She is simply diluting the strength of the "hard Brexit" members of her party. At the end of the day she knows that a so called soft Brexit with delay and dilution on immigration policies, tying up a trade deal with EU (meaning acceptance of regulations, paying large amounts of cash to EU, acceptance of ECJ authority over wide tranches of law,) will easily pass the house with her large majority plus willing support from opposition for the non Brexit Brexit solution! She likes I think, non alcoholic alcohol and her eggs without the yoke :banghead:.
I think you are wrong.The Tory candidates are pre selected.They have a bias towards hard brexit this time.May never was a committed remainer,she just sat on the fence.If she had passionately believed in Europe and remain,she would not be able deliver brexit.Either that or she is one of the worst opportunist career politicians.
 

arbel

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Location
Pembrokeshire
TM has made it perfectly clear that we will follow through with Brexit. If the EU doesn't see sense and wants to shoot itself in the foot with a free trade agreement that is just as advantageous to themselves, TM has stated that we go it alone. There will be no signing up to a bad deal.

It is probable that le Pen will be knocked out in the second voting round in France. But as events in the recent past have shown, these matters do not always go as expected. A large percentage of the French also want out of the EU. It's only a matter of time before we will see a complete collapse of the failed EU social experiment, which has cost our country billions of pounds.

As for the Labour Party just coming up with a wonderful new policy for negotiating Brexit, I have never heard so much rubbish coming from what was once a serious political party. Love them or hate them, the Tories are running rings around Corbyn and in all probability, he will be gagging to resign once the results of the General Election are announced.
 

turbo

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Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
Here we go again, its only a matter of time before the star in this solar system stops working too.
As long as Germany is happy to keep paying the bills your little club will survive,as sure as night follows day it will callapse in time ,all socialist experiment do
 

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